The Hidden Cause Behind Your Stress, Symptoms & Emotional Patterns with Dr. Emmett Miller

If you’ve been feeling stressed, emotionally overwhelmed, or frustrated by symptoms that never seem to fully go away, this conversation may help you look at healing differently.

In this episode of Healers Talk Healing from Miracles Ultimate Wellness Resources, Lynne Herod-DeVerges and Nina Ganguli are joined by Dr. Emmett Miller, a physician, author, and pioneer in mind-body medicine.

Dr. Miller shares how his early experiences as a medical practitioner led him to question the difference between simply managing symptoms and understanding what may be happening beneath the surface. Through decades of work, he discovered how stress, emotions, relationships, behaviours, and the patterns we carry can influence both our physical and emotional well-being.

Together, they explore:

• The difference between symptom management and deep healing
• How chronic stress can affect the mind and body
• Why emotional reactions may contribute to illness and dissatisfaction
• How relationships, behaviours, and beliefs influence healing
• Why some people remain grounded during difficult situations
• What it means to look beneath the surface and address the deeper source

This conversation offers a thoughtful introduction to Dr. Miller’s concept of Deep Healing—a whole-person approach that invites us to understand not only what we are experiencing, but what may be driving it.

Healing may not always begin by trying to eliminate the symptom.

Sometimes, it begins by becoming curious about what the symptom is trying to tell us.

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Transcript

Meet Dr. Emmett Miller

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Today we're joined again by Dr. Emmett Miller, a physician, author, and pioneer in mind-body medicine who has spent decades exploring what healing really looks like beyond simply managing symptoms. In this conversation, he shares how stress, emotions, relationships, and patterns we carry can influence our well-being and why true healing often begins when we're looking beneath the surface.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast from Miracles Ultimate Wellness Resources. I'm Lynn Harrod Diverges, and I'm Nina Ganguli. Each episode brings you inspiring conversations, practical wisdom, and fresh perspectives on healing and personal transformation.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Our goal is simple to help you learn, experience, and connect in ways that support your unique journey. Thank you for being here. And let's dive into today's conversation.

Workshop Announcement And Warm Welcome

SPEAKER_00 0:55

And we're so excited to have you back. We were just saying before we hit record, we do enjoy the beautiful, melodious sound of your voice. And not only that, all of the things that you have taught us and the meditations that you have shared with us during this time together. So we're excited to once again get into it, talk about it. And also just to remind everyone that we are hosting you live on June 21st. See, I keep forgetting. Just excuse me. I have so many dates in my head, but it is June 21st, which just happens to fall upon a wonderful day for those who are fathers or are like fathers on Father's Day 2026 at 5 p.m. We will be um 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 3 p.m.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

2 p.m. Pacific Standard. Pacific Daylight Time.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

I have been talking all day, and I just can't remember anything anymore.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Your name is Nina.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Are you sure sometimes I come on here as you? But we're so glad to have you back. With all that being said, and we're very excited to be hosting the workshop with you as well. And you know, Dr. Miller, what I find so fascinating is number one, all the different types of ways that we can have a mind-body connection. And you know, your biggest discovery about what stress does to us and how we need to manage our stresses in order for us to um work better, I would say, you know, to function better. It's like I when I'm talking to you right now, I'm thinking about maintaining a vehicle that so that it runs at the best capacity that it can, right? Like changing the oil, getting the engine checked, changing your tires, doing what needs to be done. And of course, you can go to multiple different mechanics to do that, and they all have their own way of supporting people with that. But how you've discovered in, as they call you, the father of mind body connection, just to remind everybody, you know, that you are, you know, one of the leading voices inside of this conversation. One of the things you have shared is kind of like your your professional experience of what had you get to this place, but is there a personal story behind that?

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Yes, there is.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

We'd love to hear it. We'd love to hear it.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

I'd be happy to share it with you.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

You you

Deep Healing Beyond Symptom Control

SPEAKER_03 3:55

mean now?

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Hello, everybody. It's good to be here. Thanks a lot for inviting me. And uh what I've uh what I discovered was something that I called deep healing, which is really a new model for illness and healing. And it goes all the way back to when I was uh very early when I was back in school. Now I've been a physician for many, many years, but about 30 years after I had developed the basic concepts and practices, which was at that time an emerging new field called mind-body medicine, I wrote a book called Deep Healing, The Essence of Mind-Body Medicine. After 30 years of practicing, I said, okay, here it is, folks. Take it and live with it. And the book is a training for professionals, it's a training for individuals. Uh, they read the book after every chapter. I have a whole inner experience, an imagery experience, so that you can take that message into your heart. Now nobody, no, no professional places were teaching this at the time. It wasn't allowed in medical schools. So I decided I'd change the world by myself. And that book was based on something that I had discovered in my office working with adults and children, couples, and families. Of course, I had my scientific training. I'd been to medical school and graduated and been certified that I wouldn't kill people if you let them come see me. But what I did discover that there was something going on that didn't really fit into the traditional medical model. Because traditionally, although every doctor would like to cure the cause of whatever the disease or illness is, most often we end up just treating the symptoms. That's what 90-95% of our medications do. They treat

Why Holistic Medicine Sees The Whole

SPEAKER_03 6:05

the symptoms. I mean, there's surgery where we can get in there, cut the cancer out, and throw it away, stitch them up, and you're gone. We've cured. But that's not usually what happens. But we've become very skilled at being able to treat the symptoms. But I began to notice something else. And that is when we look more deeply, many of the conditions that people struggle with: physical illness, emotional distress, addictions, behavioral patterns, unhappiness are not just things that happen. They are expressions of something deeper within. So I chose to work from a different perspective, what we called at the time the holistic perspective, which simply means you don't understand a system by looking at isolated parts, the old Cartesian uh Cartesian way of looking at it, where you would take things and divide it in half and then study the two pieces, and then cut those in half and study those. And you want to whittle everything down to the smallest piece, and now we know you know everything about nothing. Because that's you heard of the fellow who who had the goose that laid him a golden egg every day. He was kind of happy about that. He says, but one a day? I mean, there's something in that goose that's putting out an egg a day. If I get inside the goose and get hold of that, then I can have hundred eggs a day. So you know what happened, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Of course, no eggs at all.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

You need the whole goose if you want the golden egg. So the important thing is to understand something and how it works, you need to see how all the parts are connected. Whether you're looking at a relationship, uh, if you're looking at an ecosystem, if you're looking at the whole body, everything influences everything else. For instance, there's a numerous studies that have been shown that when people lack a close supportive relationship, they're more likely to get viral illnesses. They did this over and over down at UCLA. Uh, just before the viral waves come in each year, they would get the students, they would get them to take tests. The question is, do you have close, loving, supportive relationships in your life? Or are you this little isolated guy sitting in your room programming your next whatever? And what they found is those who had close relationships, their blood showed an increase in their gamma globulins, so they're able to fight off the viruses when they come. The guys that don't have the relationships, they get sick. And you can see them coming into the dispensary. They're the ones that are sick. It's been done over and over again. How amazing. But I mean, not really, but it's very interesting to realize that. So in medicine, what we're talking about is treating the whole person and not just the symptom. In other words, we want to include lifestyle, what's your emotional life like, what are your relationships like, what are your beliefs, what are your attitudes about yourself? What's going on within you?

The Healing Relationship As Medicine

SPEAKER_03 9:44

So this brought us down to looking at the healing relationship, which was one of my first clues, because very early on, even while I was still in medical school, I noticed something surprising, that my relationship with my patients sometimes had more impact on their healing than the treatments I prescribed. When I related to them with spec with respect, with belief, with a sense of who they could be. When I would see people, I wouldn't see the, I well have to see the sick person because you gotta measure things, but I would look through and I would imagine this person what it would be like if they were healthy. How would they be carrying their bodies? What would their faces they'd be smiling, and I would see that person, and that's who I was working to get my patient toward. When I did that, even when people were ill, as I imagined them as healthy, something in them responded. Again, not because I imposed it, but because something in them recognized it. And I thought back to when I was a little kid living in Baltimore, Maryland, when I would get sick, there was this doctor who would come to see me when I was sick. And he was a friendly older guy. He was kind of large, he had on a vest and a little gold watch with a chain. And that was very and he would come, he had this soothing voice, and then he would have me take off my shirt and he would percuss my chest. Now I you know, I'm a little kid, I didn't know what this, but his hands felt good and the thumping felt good. And when he finished, I could feel myself getting well, and I thought that's how he was healing me. And guess what? It was. And so that's what I was being without realizing it. I'm being this very wonderful family doctor who cared so much about the people that he was working with, and they got better.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I love, I, I I love this.

A Vocational Test Changes Everything

SPEAKER_02 11:59

I just want to interrupt to ask you real quickly, is this why you decided to become a doctor to begin with? Because it also sounds like you're very much of a researcher in how you see things. So tell us a little bit about that as well.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Um how I decided to go into medicine altogether. It's kind of embarrassing.

SPEAKER_05 12:25

Oh, don't worry about it. We're all friends.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

It was my second toward the end of my second year in college, and I got a note from the registrar of the college to come to his office. Uh-oh. Maybe they found out about the piano that we smuggled into our room there at college. Maybe they found out about the the stove we had hidden in the college voice. So I go in and he shows me a vocational guidance test. And that's a test that says that compares your life interests with people in different professions, figuring that if you go into a profession where people were made happy by the same things that you are made happy, that would be one to go into. Okay. And so, and he says, I want you to I want to tell you, in 25 years of my practice, I've never shown anybody their tests, but I have to show you yours. Uh oh. Well, at the time I was studying advanced calculus um and philosophy and um physics. I was really into physics, things like that. And uh and he showed me this the chart. And when it came to people, um, mathematicians and and physicists and so forth, I had nothing in common with them. It was like less than 5% according with them. He says, now you have to understand most people like 40% this and 60% that, 50% and 55%. And then over on the other side, he says, 95% of your marks are over with this group. And I said, and who are they? And he said, YMCA physical directors, ministers, and osteopaths.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

I said, hold on. I said, I came um Bedford Stuyvesant, New York, because this is before gentrification, by the way. This is what we're called Old Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_02 14:43

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

And the last thing I want to do is go back and run a YMCA visit. And when it comes to being a minister, turns out that um that I'm a militant agnostic.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

I mean, either way you go, like it wasn't gonna work.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

So it's not working.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Okay, so I arrive on a desert island and I find a beautiful watch hanging from the uh a leaf on a palm tree. And there's nobody anyone around. So I have a theory now, because all of the elements that make up that watch are present in seawater. So perhaps the seawater just fell in such a way that the different chemicals fell together and created this watch. Or you could say some intelligent being came by and left this watch here. So much for atheism. Don't give me that. So I said, so I don't know what to do. He says, he said, basically, he said, Miller, you're a do-gooder. I'd never heard the term before. And said, What's that? He says, You you will not be happy unless you are creating happiness in other people. And personally says, I think you may be the biggest do-gooder on planet earth.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Wow, that's incredible. That is incredible, but then you're thinking, what do you do with that, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:20

He said, he said, you are as a big a do-gooder as Jesus Christ. Now that got me. I wasn't religious, but I dug Jesus. I looked in the Bible and I saw the stuff in red. I said, I I can dig this. The black stuff is kind of weird, who begot who, and but the stuff in red, those are Jesus' words. Okay, I can buy that. That you know rang a bell with me when I was eight or nine years old. So I like that. So what I need to do, he said, you have your sciences, you can just take a few more extra courses and you'll be qualified to apply to medical school. And I thought, four more years of school. He says, You'll be sorry. So I had to go to summer school for two different semesters and take a few extra courses like biology. My first day in biology, I looked in the microscope and I saw these microorganisms, and I realized that they were alive. And I realized that I'm alive and they're alive, and yet they're so small I can't see them without a microscope. What does it mean to say we're both alive? And you know, I would come every day, I would look at my pond water to see see how they're all doing, and then I had to take comparative anatomy and embryology. And I found out the human being as a as a as a fetus goes to a phase where it looks exactly like a fish. It has gill arches, uh, and and so forth. The gill arches don't become gills, obviously, but they become our jaw, the mandible up here, they become our thyroid cartilage, they become our hyoid bone. So we're just modified fish. And then I looked, and every animal you look at, you look at a duck-billed platypus, or you uh you look at a hummingbird, or you look at an elephant, or you look at a whale, or a human being, and you look at the upper extremity. We all have five fingers. And I just said, this is not a coincidence. There's something going on here that I'm really, really interested in. And I was interested in it actually from something that happened when I was in the fifth grade, which is when I learned about Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. And I kept asking everybody, what are we doing about that? What went wrong? How did that happen? And oh no, no, we killed Hitler, it's all over. And I said, No. So I said, Well, one day I'm gonna find out what that is, and I suddenly got the idea, I think this is gonna lead me where I want to go. So that's what got me to go into medicine right there in New York City. And um wow, and and then and within it, I just uh made a lot of discoveries.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

I'll share some more of you later on, but it's it's clear that you are a person who loves solving puzzles, oh yeah, and who enjoys, as you said, seeing the whole picture and how does it work? You have the curiosity of a child, which is wonderful, beautiful, and so needed in this world and in the world of healing because it does allow for all of the bits and the pieces that we want to take apart, but you want to put them together to see how they work and then go, aha, mm-hmm, and take it to the next step. So that's fantastic. That great story, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Yes, yes.

Discovering Medical Hypnotherapy

SPEAKER_03 20:18

So it was it was around that point then in medicine that I finished school and finished my um postgraduate training, and then the army ate me for two years. When I got out of there, I decided I would stay right where I was in Monterey, California. And I met a doctor there who was practicing medical hypnotherapy, which I'd never heard of. I said, I've gone to one of the best schools in the country, and you're telling me that this thing can help people feel less pain, get their headaches to go away, even stop bleeding? You got to show me this. So he says, you know, lie down on the sofa and let me show you what it feels like to enter a state of hypnosis. Uh, and so what I discovered was this state of hypnosis that softens doubts, quiets defenses, and enables the system to open to change was the most amazing discovery. I remember vividly when he did that right on the sofa in his living room. At the moment I got there and I felt it, and I started laughing. I probably laughed three or four minutes because I said, this is what I've been waiting for my whole life. Because I was also a computer programmer at that time, and I realized the parallel between the human mind and the computer. But I knew how to get into a computer. But how do you put the human mind into the state where it's willing to learn new behaviors to replace old behaviors that weren't working very well? And this was the hypnosis that I learned it was powerful. It could help people in many ways, but the help only lasted for a few hours or maybe a few days. The relief didn't last longer than that. So that told me something essential that we were not yet addressing the true source. So then this is where something unusual came in. I had a background in computer programming and in electronics repair. I used to repair radios and electronics. But there you don't fix a problem by adjusting a speaker, like in your radio, but you trace the signal back through the system to you can find out where the distortion begins in the system, fix it there, and the whole system clears. And I had realized at that point, I mean, the person lives fine, and all of a sudden at a certain age they'd be having, start having stomach problems. Another place has done well until this, and suddenly they develop allergies. This person has been living fine and suddenly they become addicted to alcohol or they begin to develop cancer or whatever's going on. Maybe there's something that's happening in the person's life at that time that could give us a clue as to what's going on. So then I decided, okay, let's see, let's see what we can do. And I had learned about Dr. Pavlov and his dogs that he trained. Well, if he would give the dog a treat and ring a bell, after five or six times, if he'd ring the bell, the dog would start salivating, wagging his tail, and waiting for his treat. If he shocked the dog and rang the bell, then every time the dog heard the bell ring, it would fly into a tizzy because of its expectation of the bell. And it would, its blood pressure would go up, it would start to sweat, it would urinate on the floor, it would run around screaming, although nothing's happening except the bell is ringing, and yet everything looks exactly like a shock.

Tracing Symptoms Back To First Feelings

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So I began by inducing in people a hypnotic state, people who were having problems, and then guiding them back through their experiences one by one to times when they had experienced the onset of this illness or another attack. And I would have them relive that situation and feel the emotions, the quality of what they were feeling as their illness began. And there would be a feeling, oh, I feel I'm just feeling ashamed, or I'm feeling helpless, I'm feeling scared, I'm feeling like I'll never be finished, or you know, they would have some kind of unpleasant feeling, angry because of the elections, whatever it might be. And then I would say, okay, and I would calm them back down again, and I would take them back to another time earlier and earlier until I would say, go back to the very first time in your life you ever felt this feeling or had this kind of reaction or illness. Very often it was early childhood, sometimes infancy. And what we would find there often is something simple and profound, and yet it was a moment that overwhelmed the system of that child with fear, usually abandonment, confusion, pain, and this child had no way to deal with it. And it could be as simple as some things, you know, it's like, you know, mother, mother gets sick and she has to go to the hospital for three or four days, and the baby doesn't see the mother for three or four days. Father doesn't know what to do about, and he's gone half the time. And the idiot that they hire to watch the child in the meanwhile doesn't know and says, why don't you stop screaming, mother and father are gonna be back?

SPEAKER_04 26:11

I told you that already.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

And the child is now in a place they have no idea how to deal with the world. There's no way to see into the future because they've never looked into a future without a mother and a father. They've never looked into a future while somebody's impressing them. So that is a feeling of becoming psychotic. I mean, you can imagine somebody loose in the middle of space, you know. But this to the child is the same thing. But it's so scary that if the mind stays in that state of mind, then you will probably get something that looks more like psychosis or really bad damage. But the human mind is very creative. And so it calls up the stress response, and the stress response says, get out of dodge fast. And so maybe that child learns to run into the closet, get underneath her blanket on the floor, and puts fingers in the ears and says, la la la la, I'm not here, I'm not here, nobody's here, nobody's here. You know, and so they don't have to deal with it. Or maybe they throw a tantrum, right? As people say, oh my goodness, the child's having a tantrum. Suddenly they're getting some interest from people, or maybe they'll become very angry and start attacking, throwing things at people that attracts attention, or maybe they'll go and sneak some drinks out of the closet because that's what mom and dad do when they're upset. And in that, but those habits that is a way we learn to deal with a traumatic event. It is programmed in to the subconscious part of the mind. So whenever we have a feeling that's similar to the one that we're having at that moment, we will turn that habit on. We may not go in the closet, we may just go home and turn off the lights and close the door and turn the radio off really loud, listen to Nora Jones or something like that. And you know, maybe that's what we do. Or maybe we go to all go to the office and scream at people. Maybe we tell a boss to go jump off the lake or throw our telephone through the window. But we're still behaving just like an infant in bringing on sometimes it's not behavior, sometimes the behavior is of the physical body. And, you know, maybe at the time when the child was really upset, somebody gave the child something to eat, but the stomach couldn't digest it. And so it had this horrible feeling of throwing up something that tasted terrible and turned an awful day into a tragic day. And this becomes a person whose stomach is really weak. And anytime they eat anything that's a little bit off, or even if they hear that there's a stomach infection coming around, they'll start to feel. So this is what we do. We begin to have repeated episodes of exactly that same thing that happened when we had that fear as a child. And we learned to hide or fight or shut down or to dissociate. As we find out, one of the things I discovered as I was doing this, I started finding this in the 70s, and I started finding that so many women went back to childhood experiences of being sexually molested. And yet you look in the books and they say, oh no, no, this doesn't really, really happen. Even even Freud said it was just a matter of penis envy. It's really not happening, it's not really. And yet I was talking to the person that happened to. I was talking to the little girl that it happened to sitting in my office. Yeah, I know that happened. This is not some little girl trying to figure out how to own a motorcycle. Not at all.

SPEAKER_05 30:12

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

You know, and it was uh took another 10 years before our culture even began to discover that that was going on, and we're still struggling. Ah, Mr. Epstein, are we gonna do something about that or is this okay? And so this this is what I'd seen throughout my experience in adulthood, people don't care about other people enough. At any rate, what I found was then that I found ways that we could help the person reprogram their mind so that they responded differently. So anytime something like that pattern comes up again, something begins to trigger it, it calls up a new pattern within them. And that was what I used hypnosis for. And by hypnosis, I mean a state of deep relaxation. We can use meditation, we can use deep prayer, we can use Sufi dancing, we can use an African ritual dancing, anything that puts you into a safe and secure state of mind, because that turns off the stress response. That stress response is beneath it all. And when when we get to my uh workshop, that's what I'm going to be focusing on, and to show you exactly some amazing things about stress, but eliminating the stress, and then you can get the person to visualize a new way of handling those emotions.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

And so I I have a question for you. Um first of all, I I love this, uh, what you're sharing with us. And when you use first use the word hypnosis and then you spoke about part of the process, I'm like, oh, that sounds like past experience regression. That's what I would that's a label I guess I would put on it. And I'm like, yes, that's that's exactly what happens. But I want to ask you again, personal question. Did you go through a process like that yourself? Did someone else take you ever take you through that process? Or have you done that with yourself, with the discoveries that you've made and the things that you've done? Is this part of your process for your own healing and and uh repatterning?

His Own Inner Work And Psychedelics

SPEAKER_03 32:53

Yeah, so yeah. I did um I've had a number of people who've worked with me, I would say, helping me be able to get in that very receptive, very receptive place. Some of the some of the students I worked with, say back in the 70s and 80s, I would let them practice with me, and they were able to take me to some places and help it out. But most of them I was able to discover on my own. It's difficult, it's difficult for people to go there on their own because, as I say, what they're running from is the most frightening thing you can imagine. And it still feels that way as though you're an adult. I mean, you're a child, two years old, you get lost in a safe way for three minutes. You're going crazy, get scary. There's people you've never seen, and they're picking you up and taking you into a funny office, and there's all of this going on. And then your mother shows up, and there's two kinds of mothers. One mother says, Oh, my honey, oh, you've been lost, you poor thing. It's okay, mommy's here now. I want to go get an ice cream cone. Everything's fine. And the kid goes, Oh, phew.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

The other kind of mother comes in and says, There you are, where have you been? You were driving your mother crazy. I was going here, I was going there. I thought somebody had kidnapped you and had taken you off to some foreign country and locked you up for life.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

And then that kid's gone. Same child, but now getting lost anywhere is intolerable. And you find people who are who cannot ride on elevator, who can't can't go near the water, um, because you cannot go back to the thing that you're running from, because then you would experience it. And that would trigger your uh your your your stress reflex, and then your usual escape. Escape would come up and you'd need another glass of whiskey or to hide out in the you know, or whatever you do to get away from things. So it was hard, but I I did it myself. And and there were back in those days, there were new medications out, they've become known as psychedelic. And so we were able to use those because they were very effective at enabling us. If you knew what you're doing, if you know what you're doing, you could blow you blow your mind for sure.

SPEAKER_05 35:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

But we're we're discovering, we're discovering now the amazing things that we can do if you learn how to use those those things properly. So back at that time it was all legal, and so that was helpful. And um, and I gradually began to realize that it's better not to run away from things.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Oh, okay. That was my next question. What did you gain from all of this in your own experience?

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Courage, uh, willingness to tell the truth, the willing to stand up for what I felt to be right. Um, and being willing to take risks to help other people learn how to do these things too. No one was no one was doing these things that I was doing at that time. There was no one around to say, okay, this is safe, you can do it. I had to go little by little. Then when the audio cassettes were invented, I said, this is how I'm gonna teach the world. So I put these recordings on the audio cassettes, teach people how to heal themselves in this way, and then put them out in. But I was like, but I mean, suppose somebody's decides to listen while they're driving down the freeway and crashes into a truck. Am I gonna get sued for murder? I mean, this is the United States, right? We'll sue you. We'll sue you.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

This is California.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Like that, like that new uh new Japanese restaurant in town where all the lawyers go to eat. You've heard of it, Sosumi.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

That's it. That's it, and that's the place.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Yeah. So that was it. And and I lived through I lived through a bunch of relationships in my life that were that um no one could be proud of, but I learned from.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

And I so I gradually got it together, worked out my issues, and I'd had by this time an enormous amount of training just from observing what's true for other people. And I'd say, what's true for them is true for me too. And the people I worked with were very were very helpful.

Imperfection, Honesty, And Self-Love

SPEAKER_03 38:03

You know, one day, uh, when I was teaching at Esselin, and it so happened at that time, people a lot of people would come to see me to stop smoking. And that was I was able to help people from to stop smoking, but they didn't know that I still smoked. I still had my three or four cigarettes a day that I had to have. I was doing this group there at Eslan, and it was uh time for a break, and so I snuck out behind the the meeting room and lit up my cigarette because I just just taking in a big inhale. And who should walk around the corner? But this little old lady who was in the workshop, and she questioned everything I did. She interrupted me over and over and over. She was on my butt all the time, and she walked around the corner and she said, Dr.

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Hiller, you're smoking. I said, Uh-oh. She said, Oh, I'm so happy. And she ran and she put her arms around me. She says, You have you have a problem too.

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You're not perfect. Up until now, I thought you were supposed to be perfect. And I said, How am I gonna learn anything? Because I'm so imperfect from someone who's perfect, he'll never understand me.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

But you smoke, so you understand me. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

That is wonderful. The the relatability, the relatability, and and that's what we're all about too, you know, with the with miracles resources, with what you do and and how we all move forward together. We lift each other up in our what I call perfect imperfectness to be the best that we can be at all times. That's where that's where we're all, you know, constantly evolving uh to and in those ways. So that that is wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Yeah, I think it's a relief when you find out that the that the people you think are smarter than you, better than you, faster than you, whatever, they have imperfections. It makes it seem so relatable. And then for our listeners to get that all we may have, which I was saying before in another episode, is we just have experience. That's all right, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

That's right. And and whether we live it honestly and stop lying, and lying to ourselves and lying to everyone else. And the worst thing about being a liar is not that you lie to other people, but you end up lying to yourself, and so you don't even know who you are, right? And you you can't be happy that way. So you need to you need to be able to need to be able to go into that.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Absolutely. And I would say that's the best way to love yourself, uh-huh. And uh because we know the workshop is about love and being able to love you and love yourself to the extent that you choose to move through these these patterns and utilize this process in a way that you show up not only for yourself, but for everyone else then as well.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Yep, that's right.

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Yes.

Birth, The Womb, And Love As Intelligence

SPEAKER_03 41:46

And as it and as it turns out, you know, as the the more I traced back, and we'll we'll have a whole session on this one time, yeah. It really goes back, it goes back to birth and before birth. Before birth, you're in a in a pretty uh a pretty comfortable place as long as your parents are taking it easy. Uh but of course we are learning things, but usually we're born, and if we're born and we have uh a mother who's really ready to have a child, I mean, women are incredible in what they go through, and then they still love this kid when it comes out. But of course, at the moment the child is born, there's a little burst of oxytocin that comes out of the pituitary gland, and she falls head over heels in love with that baby. And and the obstetrician to a certain degree. Love their obstetricians then, and that's one of the reasons why. And so you you have there's something that is delivered through love. We'll talk about later on, but love itself is an or a coherently organizing intelligence, and that intelligence is really what life is about. That's what's made it work for us. Love isn't just the feeling of love, but love is the willingness to compromise, love is to hold close, it's to be honest, it's to be, it's to follow the Ten Commandments. It's fascinating. You know, every major religion in the world discover the Ten Commandments on their own without hearing it from anybody else. I mean, it's simple truth. This way you can live a happy life.

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Well, I I I will say, as a as a mom testament, having uh two girls, when I saw my first daughter, even though she was born very, very early and she had hair all Over her, and her eyes were huge, and she had no body fat. She was at 31 weeks. I lifted her, I fell deeply in love, like I had never loved before. It was just a state of feedingness. And I thought, I can't believe how wonderful I love this little alien-looking thing. Because she wasn't fully, I use the word cooked, she wasn't fully cooked yet. Um, but I had the same exact uh uh response and experience with my younger daughter who was born in a different way and was still premature, but not as premature. So, yes, it is, I would say love is a state of full presence and beingness that is marvelous.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I had a a woman who had come to who had come to see me, and uh she she had terrible self-image. She gained weight that she didn't want to have, and she thought it looked awful, and she felt bad, didn't go out. I mean, it was like she just had a low, low self-esteem. She came to see me, and so I had to trace back through time to the first time she ever felt that. And she said, I'm being born in this. It's not unusual to find people go through their birth experience. This was back in the 70s, and I I didn't really realize you could do that, but there was. She's being married, she says, and there's my mother, and she says, Oh no. My mother just said, Oh my god, she's ugly.

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Oh.

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And she cried, and we we did the healing we needed to do, and we came out about the whole process, and she felt much better. She said, Thank you so much, but it could not have been a real memory because my mother has always been the person who's loved me no matter what. Is the day hasn't passed that she didn't tell me how beautiful I was. So it couldn't have been her. And this this was at a workshop. Actually, I'd done it as a demonstration for a group of people. And she went out after lunch, she came back and she's like, I couldn't stand the mystery. I called my mother and said, Mother, I just want you to tell me the truth. When I was born, did you say, Oh my god, she's ugly? And her mother says, Dr. Pritchard promised me he'd never tell anybody that.

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Wow.

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Because it was the flash, she said, Oh my god, she's ugly. And then she loved her forevermore after that and felt terrible, guilty about what she had said.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

You see, and so now she was overloving, you know, to her. So, and that was confusing to the little girl. If I wasn't ugly, why would my mother be constantly telling me that I'm pretty? You know, so that's the way you go. When you don't face something, it can mess up your life and other people's lives, too.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

It's fascinating. It's fascinating how far back we can draw upon something that impacts us, like not always at the beginning of life, but in the middle of life. It just comes up, like you said at the beginning, you know, some physical manifestation will come up, which we're just not aware of at all. I would never think if I wasn't in the world that I'm in, in the world of holistic healing, it would never occur to me that something that could be said while when I was born, the moment I came out, could impact me at that level. Because most people think you just don't understand that.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

You don't. You don't. It's it's simply we don't have the mechanism until around three or three and a half years old. There's no way to cog to the words, experience can't be expressed in words, but the experience is there. It's like when when I was in grade school, they taught us to sing frère jacque, frère jacque, dormez-vous, dormez-vous. I didn't know what I was singing.

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Right.

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Ten years later, I took French. Oh, brother Jack, brother Jack, are you sleeping? Nobody had to teach me the song again. The song was there. I didn't know what it meant. The brain gathers things which it doesn't understand, and that's one of the reasons we get messed up when we get injured as a child. In fact, I had one one uh one woman that I'd worked with, um, and she had this real hang-up about money. It was causing trouble in her marriage. She had lost one marriage over money, and now it was causing. She says, Can you help me? And we went back, and sure enough, we were, she was inside the womb. She said, I feel like I'm floating. There's almost no sounds. I can hear muffled voices. Wait, no, I hear my father's voice. And she would go on, what's he saying? He says, We can, and she was saying, No, we can't. And she said, and he says, Look, it's beautiful. It's the this is the only Chrysler ever made that had these kind of tails on it. And she was saying, We can't afford it. Yeah, you can afford the down payment, but we'll never be able to afford it. And the father's saying, Yes, we can. So the mother got really frightened. I mean, here she was pregnant for the first time. They were short on money, and this idiot's gonna go out and buy a car with a big fish tail on the back. So and but she got so upset, and her father recognized it, and he went, Oh, I am so sorry. And he told her he absolutely gave up on that altogether. In fact, together, they didn't ever want to have a fight that would upset mother like that anymore, and so they swore to never again mention that Chrysler and never again to talk about money. And so from that point on, when he brought home his paycheck, he gave it to her, nothing was said about money. Well, when she experienced this argument from within the womb, all of her money feelings came up while she's describing this event in the womb. And she comes out, and I thought, well, okay, she's better. I mean, we've dealt with the memories that her mind thinks it has, and that's what makes her sick, whether or not she really heard it, I don't know. But she went out and she called up and she says, Yes, it was two months before you were born. Your father and I had our only argument. It was about a Chrysler car, and we swore to never mention the car again, and we've never discussed money again since that time, and never talked about it to anyone. They said to me, look, here we have uh this this these are the kind of things that proved to me the validity of what I was doing, in addition to the fact that that people would get better in that way. So a lot of it has to do with there's so much that's going on, and the other thing that we will talk about later is um mothers.

Mothers, Survival, And Prenatal Stress

SPEAKER_03 52:12

Um I was looking at a a special on the on snow leopard. Snow leopard lives in the sides of mountains that are covered with snow most of the year, and they have baby snow leopards who can kind of crawl around behind them, and the mother has to go out and kill, but they have to go on the sides of the mountains, and the baby has to go with her, and then the mother kills the animal and they eat and they manage to go. And this is how they do it for three years, because it takes three full years before that baby lion, uh snow leopard can actually kill its own prey. But all of that time it's watching and learning, it's not saying, Oh, cool, mom's getting dinner. I think I'll just kind of kick back here. Yeah, yeah. All right, Mr. Cool. Okay, what you got, Ma? Impala. Oh, God, I love Impala. No, they're constantly looking and they're constantly learning. Who tells them to do that? But they do, right? It's it's the wholeness, it's that's the secret of life, and that's the reason. And you look back three, four, five hundred thousand years ago. We lived now on in Africa. We we didn't have telephones, we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have knives and forks. And the only tool we had was a thing for scraping the inside of animal skins so that we could wear them. Now uh, you know, we didn't have much in the way of language, but that mother knew how to take care of that baby. You know, and father was you know, father was a caveman, but and he was still a man, but really cavemen don't know anything, they don't have a language. So that baby's crying all night with you know with his his colic or whatever. Why don't we just throw him over the edge of the mountain, go get us another one that doesn't cry all night. Mother, mother wouldn't allow that.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Right, of course, of course.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Well, mom teaches teaches us how to love and survive.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Yeah, and then you know, you see where patterns erupt inside of inside the womb, if if that's you know an issue with mom. And as you were sharing, I was thinking, oh, you know, I've always wondered why my son has just is the way he is compared to the rest of us. We're very, we're all very outgoing, risk-taking majority of us, but he's very he came out quiet and kind of anxious and a little fearful of the world. And now I realize I was under a lot of stress while he was cooking. And so it makes so much sense to me now. Now, like after 23 years, I'm like, oh, you know, because my husband and I are like, we don't understand. You know, with two very outgoing parents who are, you know, not shying away from things, we have a son who's the complete opposite. And it makes it so much easier.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

It does. And and it also is a testament to a woman can have, and with some people in my family, eight to ten children, and they are all so vastly different, including their mindsets or their political beliefs, or whatever the case may be. And as you're sharing this, it's you can we can also begin to understand whatever the consciousness is of the mom during the time of the conception of the child and that time of developing, and and then how she uh is and interacts with that child after birth can make a huge difference. And of course, with dad too, and whether dad is there or not also plays a role in all of that. But this is this has been fascinating. We cannot wait for the workshop. We are I'm sitting here like, ooh, it can't come fast enough. How how many weeks is that? Yeah, this is this is just going to be absolutely incredible.

How To Register And Connect

SPEAKER_02 56:46

And I encourage everyone to tune in. Do not wait. The registration and information is on miraclesdirectory.com as of this weekend. And um we or actually it's been on. This is pre-recorded, folks. Big surprise. Big surprise. And so anyway, uh, yes, you can listen to Dr. Miller speak about all of these things and so much more leading up to the workshop. And I think he left us with the phenomenal real teaser to like, yes, want to have more, want to get in there, want to experience in in all these fabulous ways. So absolutely, it's up on the website, miracles.com. Go to live workshops. And if you want to find out more about Dr. Miller and even reach out, you can reach him on the same website underneath uh underneath Connect and it's our services directory. And when you open it up, his will be the healing hero of the month. His face and info for you to uh find out more will be right there. And we encourage you to do all of that. So, Dr. Miller, thank you so much for being with us. It's just been delightful, and we will see you very soon at the workshop with uh bells on and our ears listening and all and and our minds open to receive all that you have to share with us. So thank you again, and we'll see all of you soon. Until next time, everyone.

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Bye.

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Bye-bye.

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