What If Your Pain Is A Message

Your mind is doing its job too well and that can be the problem. When the subconscious is focused on “protecting” you, it can lock in habits, cravings, avoidance, and even pain responses that feel impossible to override with willpower. We sit down again with Chris Pizzarello, a clinical laboratory scientist with 20 plus years of experience who now works in mind-body healing, to get specific about what hypnotherapy is used for and why it helps people change from the inside out.

We talk smoking cessation and why the ritual and identity of being “a smoker” can keep people trapped even after nicotine leaves the body. From there we broaden into habit change, weight loss, and the practical reality of building new defaults over months, not days. Chris also lays out what he sees as the core targets of hypnosis: anxiety and stress reduction on one side, confidence on the other. That lens connects to everything from sports performance and career growth to sexual health and relationship dynamics, where stress and self-doubt can quietly run the show.

Then we go deep on pain management, the placebo effect, and why medication can numb the mind without resolving the signal. Chris explains how hypnosis can reduce pain by changing the brain’s processing, and we explore the idea that unprocessed stress can end up stored in the body, especially in a vulnerable “weak link” area. We also discuss trauma, safety behaviors, and how avoidance can shrink your world until you’re not really living.

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Transcript

Welcome To Holistic Healing

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast where we gather to explore the art and science of holistic healing, uncovering the secrets to a happier, healthier you. I'm your host, Nina Gangoli, and together we will delve into the intriguing world of holistic healing, delving into the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom, and natural remedies. Get ready for enlightening stories, thought-provoking expert interviews, and practical tips that will empower you to unlock your true potential and embrace a vibrant, balanced life. Whether you're an experienced wellness enthusiast or simply curious about the power of healing, join us on this exhilarating journey as we share the wisdom and insights that can truly transform your life. It's time to embark on a voyage towards a happier, healthier. So, without further ado, let's dive into the captivating world of Healers Talk Healing. Welcome back to Healers Talk Healing. Today's conversation is one that might completely shift how you understand your mind, your habits, and even your experiences day to day. We're joined once again by Chris Pizzarello, a clinical laboratory scientist with over 20 years of experience who transitioned into the world of mind-body healing. With a background in biology, neurology, and biochemistry, Chris now integrates hypnotherapy, emotional freedom technique, and NLP to help people create real lasting change from the inside out. In this episode, we explore how so much of what we do from stress responses to habits and even pain is driven by the subconscious mind. And how tools like hypnosis can help interrupt patterns and create new ones. And if you find yourself wanting to go deeper into this work, I invite you to join us inside our wellness seekers membership, where these conversations continue through live sessions, community, and ongoing support. So let's get into it.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Today we're going to talk about what are the what are the uses and benefits of hypnotherapy. Oh, okay. We'll start there. We talked about, you know, all the other things, but let's talk about what the the uses are and what what the benefits are. Okay. And then that's you know, and it was one of the things that that uh I had mentioned to Lynn. This she said, well, what could you do use phytnotherapy? And I said, Well, I got a list of 127 things we can use it for.

Smoking And Why Hypnosis Wins

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Well, let's talk about that. Chris, we're so excited to have you back for this third session in our series of um our introduction into hypnosis and the conversation. And um the the previous two conversations have been very, very mind-blowing. You know, so if you haven't heard the previous two, you should go listen to them. Go listen to them too, because we're gonna get, you know, obviously, this is a separate conversation, you don't have to listen to them, but I would highly recommend that you go back and listen to the first two conversations that we've had around this conversation, which is hypnosis. And so, yeah, Chris, you know, we always start playing uh press record before we even get all formalized. And I'm so happy to have you back. And what are the uses? What why do we what do we need to use it for? What can we use it for? How does it actually benefit us?

SPEAKER_05 3:50

Well, let's start with what people think about when they think about using hypnotherapist. The first thing that comes to mind for I'd say about 70% of your audience is gonna be that person is gonna help me quit smoking if I'm a smoker, or somebody I I know is gonna help somebody I know to quit smoking. And is it we'll start with this topic because it's some interesting facts. Cold turkey is about 12 success rate. Okay, gums and nicotine patches are about seven percent. Wow, I didn't realize it was so low. Yeah, and hypnosis is over 50 percent.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 4:45

So, what's the difference? What and why why are the gums and the patches not working? Well, let's let's it's the obvious thing. We're still giving you the drug, we're still giving you the nicotine, you're still getting all the effects of nicotine, and because of that, you're not making any strides and going and getting out of it. What that's the reason why cold turkey works better than the gums and the patches, because you are getting rid of the nicotine, and the facts are in 36 hours, the nicotine is completely out of your system.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 5:36

Yeah, your body metabolizes nicotine rapidly.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:42

Um, the other things that uh last a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Can I ask you about that? I know we're talking about hypnosis, but this is fascinating, and I'm gonna go down that road. So then when we when we're looking at smoking, and if we're saying that it metabolizes in 36 hours, then how do we I guess my question is how do we get addicted? Or when we're not smoking and we've decided, why do we go back?

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Well, because it's a no, it's what we know to do. When you're a smoker, you define yourself as a smoker. Think of all the things and rituals you got have to do to accomplish smoking. And then now this this era vaping. Yes, you have to have your cigarettes, you have to have a lighter, you have to have ashtrays, you have the place to do it. Uh, with vaping, you still gotta buy the vape, you know, you gotta have batteries for that vape so that it works. Some of them are rechargeable, you gotta remember to recharge it, or you can't do it. And it's the action of doing it, and that's a big part of it. It's the action of doing it. We do it, and it's something that we do, and a majority of people who smoke or vape, they use it for stress reduction.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

I was just gonna I was just thinking that.

Habit Change And Weight Loss

SPEAKER_05 7:23

But this is counterintuitive because what happens when we smoke? Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, it takes the big blood vessels and makes them small, it increases your blood pressure, and when your blood pressure goes up, you start going into a fight or flight mechanism. So, how is that reducing your anxiety and stress? Yes, it's counterintuitive. But this is how we define, and it's kind of like a little lie that a lot of people tell themselves. There's so much more, and I because of what I do and how I do it, I'm not gonna go into everything, and also this isn't the conversation, but the the the reason like we're talking about the reasons why you're going to seek out a hypnosis, quit smoking, quit habits. Yes, that is and smoking is a habit. Okay, so let's think of the habits that we we might pulling hair, biting nails. A lot of those habits people want to get rid of.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

They're annoying. Stop eating chocolates. Stop eating chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's another one. I don't know if I want to stop that.

SPEAKER_05 8:46

But there's positives to eating chocolate. I'm gonna back up on that. I'm gonna back up on that. Um, but you know, the other one is weight loss. Weight loss is a big thing that I see clients for, and you know, that's a little bit more long term, obviously. You don't lose weight in two weeks, you don't change your diet in two weeks, so it's more of an extended period, what six months to a year, but there's a lot of benefit because the habits that you created. Remember, you didn't put on that extra 20 pounds in a day, you put it on over a period of time, and rapid weight loss is not very successful because we're going to rapidly put it back on as soon as we stop doing what we're doing. So, part of hypnotherapy for weight loss is learning new habits, gaining new knowns. It's also about diet, nutrition, and these other things. And this is when I bring in people who are experts on that, on diet nutrition. I have some expertise in it, but I bring in other people because it's good for the client. They have other voices and they get to choose what they like to eat and how they're going to do it. Because most people, it's not it's not the everyday things that they eat, right? Unless they have a really terrible diet and they're going to McDonald's every day. You know, if you got a really terrible, if you're addicted to fast food, well, we got a whole nother issue we're talking about. But if you're talking about how'd you put on that 20, or I sat in front of the in front of the TV set, I had a half a bag of potato chips. I every night I sit down and I have a piece of cake or or five cookies. Did you need all those cookies? And so we don't take away all the cookies, we take away some of the cookies. Okay, you know, you can't have five, you can have two. And we we start building better habits, and then when we we start examining, we say, do we need the cookies? Do we need the half a bag of chips? You know, and of course, with any weight loss program, there's always the idea that there's got to be movement involved, right? We're going to increase activity in a responsible, intelligent way. We're not going to tell you to go run America. Well, we'll tell you, hey, if you've got an opportunity to park a little bit further away when you're going to the grocery store and make and walk a little extra, take a lap around the block. You know, obviously not when it's negative 40 degrees.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Well, I don't know. You can bundle enough.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Well, you know, that's depends on who you are.

Anxiety Confidence And Self Love

SPEAKER_05 12:06

Listen, that's what that's what malls are for, ladies. That's true. That is true. And a lot of people, when if you're in that scalding heat or that freezing cold, go to the mall early in the morning, take that walk. That extra, we're not talking about hours and hours. We're talking about a little bit, a little bit of movement, a little bit of exercise, a little bit of getting in touch with your body, because that's really what that you know weight loss is about. Getting in touch with your body, what functions for your body, what makes you healthy, what makes you think best, and I think that's important too. It's about the thinking. So, what else is hypnotherapy really affected with? And I'm gonna I'm gonna pull the curtain back from mighty Oz. Okay, hypnotherapy is about two things, it's about anxiety, stress reduction, and confidence. Okay, two sides of a coin. We have the one side of the coin, which is my stress, my anxiety, the other side of the coin is my confidence, and you cannot point to a single person who has does not have stress or anxiety and does not have lack of confidence in some realm.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

That's fascinating because it is. I know, but I think I think we live in a in our western world, um, that's all I can speak about because that's where I live um the majority of my time. It makes sense stress and anxiety, but the the self-confidence, honestly, I think there's this part of me that's like, well, they have it, but I might not have it.

SPEAKER_05 14:00

Yeah, and and and in in that same vein is the self-love. Yes, so it's but it's easier for you to be confident in yourself before you love yourself, if you get what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yes, yes, of course. No, no, no. I want to say more about that, sir.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Say more about it, but it it makes sense. It does, it does make sense when you are confident and you're you're certain. I think if confidence is certainty, and what you're doing, who you are, then it's easier then to take the next step to to love yourself. And I'll use the word appropriately.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

Yes, exactly. Now, we talk about also hypnosis and hypnotherapy for sports performance, but where is that linking into confidence, got it, and and anxiety? So these things we we talk about it for sexual health, both men and women. And what do we have when we're with a partner? Especially a new partner, maybe even a partner you've been with for an extended period of time. There may come times when you have a stress in your life that will prevent you from being open and being yourself, you know, and allowing a positive experience to happen, you know, and and it could be also that lack of confidence, especially for men who are suffering from you know, E D or uh P E.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

P E premature.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Ah, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

It's okay to say the words. We grown-ups here. Yes, yes, but we are grown-ups here having conversations.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

It's an education for everyone.

Career Growth Sex And Relationships

SPEAKER_05 16:05

But you know, it's when we think about it, and we don't think we don't think about you know that part of it. There's also the also the part of it of being comfortable, confident, and moving forward in your career. Because people hold themselves back in their career. You know, whether it's they're a lawyer, they're uh a nurse, or maybe they're an accountant, or maybe they're paralegal and they see themselves as a lawyer, but they're afraid to take that step. Or or maybe they're they're working in some business and they want to move up the next rung. Well, how do you get there? Well, if you don't see yourself in a confident way, you don't see your project in a positive manner, it's very difficult for people to see you that way. If you're always looking down, not speaking up at meetings, not being able to communicate, even not talking to the boss. How do you how do you get that raise? How do you get that promotion? So coming from a place of confidence and you know being able to express yourself the way you uh visualize yourself, and that's an important term. Visualizing yourself for what you feel you should be. That's really huge, and that's where there's the blockage in the subconscious mind, and this is where hypnotherapy comes in huge, where we can really make changes. Another powerful place is in family relationships because maybe you don't have a good relationship with your mother, father, sister, brother. There may be reasons why this is happening, and figuring out where you fit inside the family system is so important, and it's so vital to who you are. It's something you wouldn't think about. Hey, that would have hypnotherapy would have helped that. But really, this is a thing that a lot of people suffer with. They suffer with this thing that's behind the door when they walk in their house where they're supposed to be the most comfortable, where they're supposed to be the most confident, that they're supposed to feel the most loved, and they're not.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

I find this so fascinating.

SPEAKER_05 19:00

So, yeah, that's that's another huge one. It's huge. So my it was brought to me a long time ago, you know, when and when I first started in in doing hip therapy sessions, you know, I I took a class and how to do the session, you know, the first sessions and and how to sell yourself a little bit. And one of the things that they said is like there's 127 things that hypnosis can help you with. And they gave us a list, and it's kind of vast, but I'll amend that because I think that everybody can benefit from it in a different in the way that they need it, and it can help almost everything if you find a place where you're lacking. And I you can't tell me that you're not lacking, because everybody needs that little bit of help. Some people get it from their best friend, their brother, their mom, the coworker who sits in the next cubicle, that they're able to talk to and like kind of vent and kind of like let it out. But venting is just a blow-off of steam, right? And you think about it. What would you be able to do if you if you didn't have that buildup that you had to blow it off? That you could release it and hold on to it. And that's where I think that this work is so powerful because everybody, everybody, everybody can learn to do this for themselves. And part of what I do in my practice is give my clients the tools that they need to continue in their life so that okay, they may come back to me in a year and say, Hey, I need a I need a tune up. But when they're done, they got the they have the tools that they need that they can manage your life on a daily.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yeah, I mean, life is like a roller coaster, right? So um my my brain is like, okay, what else can you use it for? What else can you use it for? Well, many changes. Inquiring minds want to know what those 127 things are.

Pain Relief Placebo And Medication Risks

SPEAKER_05 21:40

Okay, I got I got a really good one, okay? And this is an epidemic in this society pain management.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Oh, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:51

Let's talk about that. Yeah, absolutely. The big one, it is huge because doctors. Want to give a pill. Right. And we've proven through the placebo effect that if you believe that something is a medicine, a powerful medicine, it will act on your body that it is that medicine. And let's look at the painkillers that we have over the counter and the negative side effects of them. Well, acetaminophen, which I just heard a podcast the other day. One in four people are taking acetaminophen on a daily.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

I was just hearing that too. On a daily basis. And not only that, but it's poison.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

It is it is one of the highest. Oh, it is the highest over-the-counter med that people OD on. OD on? Really? OD. Really? Yes. Oh wow. Six times the therapeutic dose will you will OD.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Ah, okay. Does it does it have to also do with the buildup of toxins or something in the system that then creates this whole reaction?

SPEAKER_05 23:26

No. No. No, because it's an overwhelm of the liver. The liver can only metabolize at a certain rate. And if you get past that rate, there's too much in this in the system. And then I heard another study just this morning talking about how acidaminifin leads to people being antisocial. Oh, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Well, that's what I thought to dive into and that was that blew me away.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

And let's examine what is acidaminophil really do. It's in the brain pathway, it's going into the amygdala, and it and it's kind of fooling you that the pain's not there. Not really taking the pain away. Me pain to numb a pain, it's always canes, right? We got the lidocaine, we got the prontocaine, we got the cocaine. They're all canes, they're all numb, right? So acidaminophen doesn't take the only fools your body into there's no well less pain or no pain. Oh. It doesn't actually take away pain.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

That's that's fascinating. But it also makes sense, and one of the questions um I wanted to ask, or maybe clarifications, when you were saying how you think about yourself or how, you know, see with your habits, and then you just uh spoke about the placebo effect and so forth. It also just, you know, in my mind is so developing your mind using hypnosis, but then strengthening how you see yourself, what you say to yourself, the kind of person you believe you are, and how you go about your daily lives and routines, doing that can completely shift you.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Oh, a hundred percent. Okay, a hundred percent. And I have something else I could talk about, but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I'm gonna stick on, I want to stick on this pain thing. All right, because the other other thing that's going on in the world is the opiate addiction. Yes, and and we give opiates, and they're supposed to be pain killers, but really all they are are mind numbers. Ah you think about it now. There is there is an actual pathway for opiates in the brain, right? We have a metabolic pathway, how we understand opiates when we take them. But we know that at a certain point, let's say you've had a tooth extracted, they give you some some opiate, they'll give you some Vicodin, they'll give you some um trying to think of some of the other some oxycotin. Um, okay, you don't when you when you take one, the pain's not really gone, you just don't care that the pain's there.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Ah, I see.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

Okay, then if you think about it, does the pain really go away? Nah, you just don't care. All right, but after let's say it's something that's more um happening every day. It's chronic. Like a knee that need that's deteriorating, and you start taking opiates for it. Well, the first week you take one pill, and one pill kind of gets you through, and then you need two pills, and three pills, and four pills, and five pills, so it does not it there is the threshold keeps getting higher and higher and higher because our reactivity to it gets lower and lower and lower and lower. And at a certain point, now we hit the addiction stage, and now you can't do without it, or if you do without it, you get sick. Ah, okay. And does anybody want that? Of course not. No, we don't want that, but but but can you think about this? And this is this is a fact, okay, and we work with this before we do anything about using the placebo effect inside of hypnosis, just the fact of hypnotizing somebody can reduce their pain 30%.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

And that's actually reducing the pain, not numbing the mind.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

Not numbing the mind, but because your mind is in a certain in a different space where it's not it's more connected and more inside the subconscious. Subconscious is is monitoring, but it's not trying to amplify. We when we get when we get the message, think about the pain message that you have back pain. Do you have back pain where it goes like one minute and then it goes away? No, it's pain, pain, pain, pain. The message just keeps coming. The message just keeps coming, it doesn't stop. But if you break the message, the pain reduces. Okay. And I was uh early in my career, uh working with uh a friend who was pregnant, and her plan, her shadow pregnancy plan, I'm go I I'm going to get an epidural. I said, okay, fine. Let's try hypnosis. So we practiced, we did about six weeks of practice. That's good. And then when she went into labor, she called me on the phone because we had this rapport, because she knew what was going to happen, we put her in trance. When the pain was at the maximum, she said, Okay, I'm ready for my epidural. And the doctor said, No, it's time to push. So she got all the way to the end without the pain. And any woman who's had childbirth, majority will say this is the worst pain that they've ever felt in their life. So if you can if you can imagine having a blessed birth without and without the epidural, without the epidural, yeah. Epidural is dangerous. Yes. It's dangerous because the dot you could miss. You could move. There could be complications, maybe they don't give you enough anesthesia, maybe they give you too much.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Too much, yeah. Whatever it is, yes.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Yeah, so you would you'd like to go do this without this complication. It's fascinating, and this is this is why I say pain management is one of the things that hypnosis can be so powerful for, and a lot of times, especially with pain uh in the body, that pain, even though it shows up, I have two herniated discs. Okay, but you never lifted heavy weight, you weren't in a car accident. How did you get those two herniated discs? And this is the simple truth, and it's ugly. You did it to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Okay. Now it's ugly, and I hate to say it, but it's no, but so so elaborate on the concept.

How Stress Shows Up As Pain

SPEAKER_05 32:16

The mind can only hold so much at a time, even though it records and it's this magical supercomputer, it gets to a limit. There is a limit on what it can take in at any time, and when it hits that limit, it takes whatever stress, whatever negative feelings, whatever trauma, and it puts it in the body because the body's strong, the mind is not strong. Okay, and it's always gonna put it in the weakest part of your body. So notice when you when you feel anxious, maybe you feel it in your stomach, maybe you feel it in your back, maybe you feel it in your neck, maybe you feel it in your arms, maybe you feel it in your hips. There's gonna be a place that you're putting that energy. So let's say the person's putting it in their back, and I always think of it like this you're getting the back pain. It's a knock. There's a problem. Hello, take care of it. Okay, but you don't because you can pop to Advil and tower through. Yes. All right, then a week later, knock gets a little louder. Hello, we got a problem here. And if you keep not paying attention to the knock, where it's telling you, hey, there's something we need to address, and we're not addressing it, eventually the part that's the weak part of your body, wherever it is, will break down. It will go from ease to disease.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

That makes so much sense. As you say that, I think about some of the injuries that I've had, and in every single case with um both my knees and my pelvic area. It's there were there were different circumstances that happened that made me so angry, I was so out of balance, I was so clear that I wasn't myself, and I go to step or to do something, but I have all this energy, and then bam! And then it's like, oh boy, I tore that, I pulled that, I but it it does not happen unless I have that.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

Yeah, you gotta have that buildup of tension of that energy that you're storing somewhere, and and it gets really bad because there are people who can give themselves cancer.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Yeah, I've I've heard that. This is one of the things I wanted to ask before we get into that conversation about how we make ourselves sick, which is okay, so the scenario is yeah, you have the herniated discs and you've got the back pain. And let's say now it's gone beyond advils, and you you have to go for whatever the surgery or physiotherapy or whatever uh prescription I guess you have to take. Now, if you just do just do that, and you don't address what that root cause is, because I believe the same thing you believe. I believe that the majority of our pains that we have, especially if we're young and we're not, you know, gone through wear and tear as as as adults and into our older years. Um how how do you discover, how do you discover that? Wait a minute, I did all this and it's come back. And how do you how do we begin to discover that it's it's beyond uh just so that's a symptom of a root cause? Maybe that's a different conversation for us to get out there in the world, us us, and that's what we're talking about here is going to place that where that has started from. What do we do as the healing community to help people understand that you have a headache, that headache is a symptom of something else.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

Yeah, this this is a really it's a difficult conversation to have with your client because the client, unless they're uh of a certain age, let's say they're you know above retirement age, they uh they I'm saying that because and that's not a limit, but a lot of people think they're invincible. Ah, yes, they walk around with nothing can hurt me, I'm invincible, and they they carry it from their teens to their 20s to their 30s to 40s to 50s, and then something's 80s, yeah. Look, look, we would like uh to we would like that to be that invincible complex forever, but the facts are we son, there is a place in our mind that we know we are not invincible, we know this. This is a fact, and that's the convincing part is like and the hard discussion is hey, you're doing this to yourself. This is a really hard discussion to have with with clients to say that you know that self-sabotage, yes, and people don't want to believe unless they of that mindset, because there are people, believe me, there are people of the mindset I self-sabotage all the time, and that's a whole different conversation. Those people are easier to work with, believe it or not, because those are the ones that have already come to the conclusion, hey, I'm having this self-sabotage. Well, that means that you're ready to work on it, right? But if you come to me with I have pain in my shoulder, and the doctor goes and initially there's nothing there, it's just pain, right? But there's nothing there. You didn't you didn't try to swing uh an axe so hard that you ripped your shoulder, you didn't hit it against something, or all these things that you could think of, all the scenarios where you have actual physical injury. Because look, actual physical injury exists, and that's what western medicine is for.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

I'm glad that you said that just for those who are listening.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

However, however, getting from the place where I broke my ankle to the hospital to getting casted, yeah, I might want to see a hypnotherapist to tell that me, don't pay attention to that ankle, you're not gonna put any pressure on it, but there's no pain now. The pain is in your it doesn't exist, it's numb. And I've even though you don't you don't see it as taking the Nova Cain that the doctor would put in your if to take extract the tooth into your ankle, and it's numb, and you could feel nothing but some pressure.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

This is this is so this is really interesting. And of course, as you're talking, I'm my first thought was where were you when I was running in the airport to catch a plane and I tore my meniscus at ACL.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

But you had a physical injury there, remember. You we we you know, look, we look at at athletes. Athletes have physical injuries all the time, and you know, I think you could think of so many, and you know, of course, they had this invincible thing going on in their head. I can never be hurt, otherwise, they wouldn't be those physical athletes, right? But it's it's a foot getting stuck a little bit because maybe it's a little wet, or the the the shoe slipped a little bit when you and then the torquing. That's physical injury. We're never going to again hypnotherapist not gonna help you with that, going to help you with the pain and the confidence to get back on that repaired joint, right? To have the confidence to say I'm healed now, I don't have to baby it all the time because it's gonna, yeah, every time I I walk, it's going to hurt, or every time I I I try to lift something, there's gonna be pain. And that pain is phantom, it's not real, it's not real, it's something we're creating. Why to protect ourselves?

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Yes, of course, of course, yes, and I I I do have a tendency to do that with one of the injuries, and it's and it's neutral when you think about it, it's a natural reaction.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

We want to protect ourselves. That's what the subconscious mind's job is protect Nina, protect Lynn, protect Chris. We're gonna protect ourselves, yeah. Okay, and and it works because I'm not gonna go jump off a five-story building just to experience the fall. No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

I mean, no, most people won't.

SPEAKER_05 42:41

I'm just bringing it up because it's like, hey, that might be fun. Three seconds of free fall.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, we're gonna parachute. That's all I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:53

But I'm saying, you know, we're not gonna do it, we're gonna protect ourselves. You know, we're gonna do what's going to do to make ourselves stay safe.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

You know, I have a vigil as soon as you said that, like we're our own secret service. You know what I mean? It's like it's like the secret service, okay, watching out for danger, making sure that we're safe every moment.

Trauma Safety And Avoidance Loops

SPEAKER_05 43:18

Oh, 100%, and that's that's the important part. We want and need to keep ourselves safe, and we have this overriding thing. We're gonna stay safe, we're gonna be safe, we're gonna do everything to keep ourselves safe. But when safety is prohibiting us from living, uh, yes, this is a place where we need some sort of therapy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Yeah, because I was just gonna say, Chris, that there's those people who don't feel they don't feel safe, they don't even know how to, you know, connect to that safety. And I'm talking more people, you know. With some severe trauma and things that they've experienced where life hasn't been safe, and the way they behave or act is a result of that.

SPEAKER_05 44:11

And people will have their own mechanisms inside of that. Right? How they recover from whatever was not safe. Right? And I'm not revealing anything, but this is a common thing, so I'm not I'm not stepping over any lines or divulging on any any clients. You're in a car accident. And maybe you're bruised, but you're not hurt. Maybe a car is totaled. Do you want to go on that same road? The next time you drive, do you want to go on that same road? Typically not. I right and and so what happens if what happens if it's let's let's say it's on the highway that you use every day to go to work. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Now, do you avoid that highway and now you have to take an extra 45 minutes to get to work? No.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

I don't know. Some people do.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Like yeah, that was saying.

SPEAKER_05 45:18

I yeah, I I that exact I'm like he's this is exactly the this is a place where the subconscious mind is keeping you safe. If I don't go on that road, I won't get in a car accident. That makes sense. And and and then this can snowball. Well, that road's dangerous, but also that road too, because they you're driving 50 or 70 on this road, so that one's dangerous. Or oh, there's always buses on this road, so that one's dangerous. There's always trucks on this road, that one's dangerous. And then you start, I mean, again, not holding anything, but people start planning routes, how to avoid certain roads, certain places to keep themselves safe.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

And is that when the subconscious is just taking over so much? It's it's literally, well, it does run our life. Our subconscious does run our life. But it it but this what you're describing um to me sounds like it's it's over overprotecting to the extent like you said, you when you when you're not able to live your life, you know, then that's where the the challenges are.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

Yeah, I this can go further. You could say, well, it's dangerous to leave the house.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

I was just thinking yes, I was thinking about the agoraphobia.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

And that is that is a that has so many different roots in it. There's so many different things that happen to bring somebody to that level, and it is not a plea good place to be for the people who experience it. And when they're able to make their way out, go back into society because let's face fact, we're humans, we want to interact with other humans. Yes, we need to interact with other humans, yes, and if the only thing you have is the four walls, then you're not living.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

No. And actually, wouldn't it cause a person to go even your world becomes smaller and smaller until you're so much in your head and you're and in your mind that you're frozen, really?

SPEAKER_05 47:56

It's very true. It's very true. You know, uh one of the people that I follow in the and side side quest a little bit here, but promoting my other other specialty of uh emotional freedom technique. One of the things that we say is that everything that we define ourselves as and that we've done, we've experienced is written in our walls. It's on the wall, the four walls we surround us with. Now that could be a closet or could be a palace. Right? And we can erase the things that we no longer want. Because remember, that what life is about is I like this, I don't like this. Right? This is how we define we don't have those juxtapositions, how do we understand our world? Oh, of course. Okay, everything. So when we when we can say I no longer need to protect myself by staying in the house, brace that off the wall, doors open up. This could be a gilded cage, or it could be the whole world is your is your paradise. You get to choose, you get to understand, you get to create it, but you have to take steps to be able to get rid of what no longer serves you, and that's the that's the challenge, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Is the the willingness to let go of what no longer serves you because some some many people are very conscious of what's not serving them, right? Yes, but yes, knowing doesn't always make the difference.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

No, there's the comfort zones. Well, I'll tell I'll tell you what with another one of my teachers. I've I've been blessed, I've had a number of mentors, and one of the things that she said was we come into this world and they give us a little red wagon, and from the day we're born, we start putting stuff in our little red wagon, and we drag it along with us everywhere we go, and and it gets heavy with stuff, the wheels start squeaking and then they get squared off, and we have this we this real red wagon that's going around ka chunk, ka chunk, ka chunk, ka chunk, ka chunk, ka chunk, and we're dragging it, and and when somebody goes to take something out of that real red wagon and say, Hey, you don't need this. No, that's mine, do not take that away from me.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

That's mine, that's mine.

SPEAKER_05 50:48

And the convincing of the subconscious mind to say, hey, that doesn't that doesn't serve you. You can take it out of the wagon, you can leave it on the side of the road, you can get the burden off of you. You don't need to be burdening yourself with this red wagon full of stuff that doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Well, isn't then that the using the red wagon as the metaphor, isn't that the uh the comfort zone and the um um yeah, I guess, yeah, for comfort, you know.

SPEAKER_05 51:25

Yeah, yeah, but whatever the mind uh I'll say this, Lynn, and then and I agree with you, but then there's the but there's comforting things, right? You want a special pair of pajamas that may that makes you feel soft and comfortable and easy to go to sleep. You want that duvet that's just feels the right weight on you when you're going to sleep. Those are comfort things. I want that meal that makes me feel warm on a mid-winter's night. But I don't want to have ice cream when it's negative 40.

SPEAKER_01 52:12

Well, I was just gonna say, but that pine of ice cream at night sells. But I'm outside, I'm outside and I'm bundled up.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

But you you know, you you get what I'm saying. There's stuff that we we we we don't need, right? You know, they just don't work. Yeah, I mean, and and we all have our things, and and I can bet there's something that in your house. I'm guilty. Guilty that you that you've had for the last 30 years. Uh you're gonna find something. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Do not have anything. Does does the baby book count?

SPEAKER_04 53:05

Does your kids count?

SPEAKER_05 53:07

No, no, nothing count, but but a sock from when they were a baby counts. But a sock, but a sock from when they were a baby counts. Oh, then yes, I do have.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Yeah, or like in the baby books, yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 53:24

A pair of their shoes when they were when they were too young to even walk in them. Yeah, and they have no interest in them whatsoever.

unknown 53:31

Right.

SPEAKER_05 53:32

But they're but they're your stuff, right? Do you need it? Do you have an emotional attachment to it? Yes, absolutely. Are you gonna get rid of it?

SPEAKER_01 53:45

No, no, you're gonna mystery for the kids. It's whatever. Then we come up with all the excuses and reasons.

SPEAKER_05 53:53

You're going to move and you're gonna take it with you. It's the facts. There is stuff that we have we have emotional attachments to, we have no need for them, we keep them around. Because they are there's there's positive emotional content in it. Right? But then there's other stuff that we keep around unwittingly here that we don't need, that we we should be getting rid of. Because like I said in our in another podcast, we start learning from the day that we're born, they didn't give us an instruction manual, gave us a body, no instruction manual. That's true. We had to figure this out, right? We had to figure it out, so there's stuff that we learned really early that doesn't serve us anymore because that was the five-year-old, that was the eight-year-old, that's not the informed adult.

Pattern Interrupt Then Pattern Creation

SPEAKER_00 55:15

And then it's the informed and uh informed adult also now informing the infant that doesn't there's this like that pattern that keeps happening, and I I can just see how you know interrupting patterns is what I'm hearing throughout all of this is just interrupting these subconscious patterns that we run in our minds. We don't know it's like you know, you get home from work and you think to yourself, Did I run any red lights? How did that happen? How on earth did I get home and I didn't run any red lights? Because my my subconscious mind is driving me home, and the other part of my mind is like, I don't know. There are many times or whatever on the way home. It's funny because my son asked me that the other day. He said, Mom, are there times that you get home and you think, did I run that red light? I said, I've been driving since I was 16. I have thought about that many, many, many, many times. And I think that, you know, as we round up the conversation, what's coming to me, and like my final thoughts, and I'll ask yours and I'll ask you, Lynn, as well, is that the greatest gift of hypnosis uh is that pattern interruption, the patterns that don't work, that don't allow us to feel free and peaceful and fully self-expressed. That's what I have actually gotten. What I've gotten is these are how patterns get built, and then how they don't serve you, and then no longer serve you, and you know, or maybe they never served you, there were somebody else's patterns that were imprinted on you in time in that space and time, and that there is there is freedom on the other side, and hypnosis is one of the pathways.

SPEAKER_05 57:10

Oh, yes, and it's not the only it's not the only one. I'm gonna say this is not the only one, and I'll add to you you're you're correct. The pattern interrupt is one of the major mechanisms that we use. It's also the pattern creation, because the every remember we talked about how there's two sides to everything, the juxtaposition. So the pattern interrupt is what we want to accomplish for things that no longer serve us. But what about we want to create new pathways? You know, someone comes and says, I want to save more money. It's a new positive pattern. We have to pattern creation goes on the other side of pattern up interrupt.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

Okay. Very good. Well, I you this has been a lot to uh take in, and not only today, every every session, every podcast that we've done with you, Chris, has been, oh wow, oh, oh, and that and didn't know this. And so this has been absolutely incredible. And I'm looking at what I use as what I call excuses not to do things, uh, and understanding it better. Like I used to be a dancer, I was a dancer for 20 years, I danced every single day. I danced for a ballet company, and I don't exercise and I don't move now because I realize my subconscious mind is constantly telling me that I'm gonna injure my legs. And that's because I had so many injuries when I was dancing, and um I still use that today when I know I need to get my butt up and start moving more. I was gonna say something else, but start moving more. And then, you know, I I think about, well, what else am I using all these, you know, have excuses for? And the way the subconscious mind is trying to, you know, use those excuses to protect, to, you know, guard, safeguard when okay, we know it's BS. And so now it's just time to quit it. Just that's right, quit it.

Workshop Invite Membership And Booking

SPEAKER_00 59:51

Yeah. I think it's it's so the conversations have been so powerful. And what's even more exciting about this lead up is that we're going to get to have some conversation about this live. And you know, if you are listening to this before May the 17th, 2026, I am inviting you to join Chris and our and myself and Lynn, just Chris mostly. I'll be in the background. Lynn I'll be in the background. We're just gonna support Chris, but yes, spend like 90 minutes talking to you about hypnosis and giving you a deeper understanding and also providing some uh you know examples, uh, a space to ask questions, maybe even you yourself out there who wants to know what it could feel like to have that type of experience. I am really, really inviting y'all to come in. We have the link below in our show notes, we have information on our website, but register today, don't wait. We have limited spaces, you know, because we have limited time, we have limited spaces and limited time to have these con have this conversation more live as a viewer. I mean, we've had all we're very lucky. I can call Chris anytime.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:17

It's true, it's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

But for those of you who who unfortunately don't get the same access that that we do, I really um implore you to you know check this out for yourself and have get to have this conversation live with Chris on the 17th of May. And I believe that's 2 p.m. um Pacific time and 5 p.m. Eastern time. And um, Chris, thank you. Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

Yes, thank you. Thank you too, Lynn. Just been absolutely incredible. And uh also know that if you uh for everyone out there, check out our Miracles Wellness Membership. And when we gather together, it's a let's get together gathering. Then uh Chris will be there and you'll also be able to ask him questions that way as well. But first, you need to check out his workshop.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Yes, absolutely. Thank you everyone for joining us however you came on via watching or listening. One more thing, you forgot.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:27

Oh no, but you can find me on the miracle as a healing hero. Yes, outside the directory. Yeah, and then I you can book sessions with me.

Closing Thoughts And Subscribe

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Absolutely a very important thing we missed out. Thank you for reminding me. Thank you, Chris. You're you know, what's the word? You're chomping at the bit to get in touch with Chris, please. Yes, go on our site, go look at the directory, type in Chris's name. There's also a link to Chris right in the show notes that you can get to him directly. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And until next time, everyone, thank you so much for joining us in this conversation for Healers Talk Healing. Bye for now. Thank you for joining us today on Healers Talk Healing. We hope you've been inspired and empowered on your holistic healing journey. If you've enjoyed today's episode and want to continue learning and growing with us, don't forget to subscribe, follow, rate, and review our podcast. Your feedback and support mean the world to us. Remember, healing is a lifelong journey, and you have the power to transform your life in profound ways. Stay curious, keep exploring, and never stop believing in your own capacity for healing.