Why Your Brain Still Thinks There’s a Sabretooth Tiger (And How It’s Running Your Life)

Your mind is doing more without you than you think, and that can be either your secret weapon or the reason you feel stuck. We sit down with Chris Pizzarello, a hypnotherapist with 20 plus years in hypnotherapy, EFT, and NLP, to translate the subconscious into plain English and show how his “complete mind therapy” approach blends science, nervous system basics, and energy aware work.

We start by demystifying hypnosis as a natural state you move through every day, not a stage trick. From there, we map the jobs of the conscious mind versus the subconscious mind, including why your brain automates patterns to save bandwidth and keep you safe. That “safety first” programming explains so much, from why willpower disappears when you need it most to why you can feel resistance when you try to build a new habit.

We also get specific about anxiety relief. Chris connects anxiety to the fight flight freeze response and explains why racing thoughts are often reactivity, not a lack of intelligence. He shares a surprisingly common trigger, blood sugar drops, and how body chemistry can flip the anxiety switch. Then we go deeper into memory and trauma, including why the subconscious may hold painful experiences until you are safe enough to process them, and why perspective matters when revisiting the past.

To make it practical, Chris offers tools you can try right away: changing perspective to quiet the inner critic, using adult play and meaningful incentives to keep motivation alive, and building confidence through “anchoring” a strong feeling to a simple physical cue. If you want more support, we also share how to join our community and the upcoming live workshop details.

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Transcript

Welcome To Holistic Healing

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast where we gather to explore the art and science of holistic healing, uncovering the secrets to a happier, healthier you. I'm your host, Nina Gangoli, and together we will delve into the intriguing world of holistic healing, delving into the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom, and natural remedies. Get ready for enlightening stories, thought-provoking expert interviews, and practical tips that will empower you to unlock your true potential and embrace a vibrant, balanced life. Whether you're an experienced wellness enthusiast or simply curious about the power of healing, join us on this exhilarating journey as we share the wisdom and insights that can truly transform your life. It's time to embark on a voyage towards a happier, healthier. So, without further ado, let's dive into the captivating world of healers. Talk healing. Today's episode is one that's gonna completely shift how you understand your mind and honestly, why you do what you do. Today we're joined by Chris Pizzarello. He has over 20 years of experience in hypnotherapy, EFT, and NLP, and he uses what he calls the complete mind therapy approach. With a background in biology, neurology, and biochemistry, Chris brings a rare blend of science and energy work to the conversation. And in this episode, we break down what's really happening in the surface. How your subconscious mind is running the show and my anxiety opening. Without even realizing it, which means we have more places. Once we understand how it works, real change doesn't come from more power alone. It really does come from learning how to work with your mind and not against it. So if this conversation resonates and you're ready to go deeper into that kind of work with the support of the like-minded community, we'd love to have you inside our wellness seeker space. But for now, let's get started. I am so excited that we're actually really having this great important conversation. Um, Chris, you know you are the master at this. Uh, I have I have heard you speak on this uh in our uh separate mastermind group. PS that's just a little plug that we have a mastermind group for our healing hero. So if you want to know more about that, you can always connect with us and hop onto our website. We have the information there. But today we're gonna have an interesting conversation and we have a lot of questions for you. But before we start that, Chris, can you tell us just a little bit about just hypnosis in general?

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Well, hypnosis is a state that is natural, that we all experience, whether we know it or not. We go in and out of hypnosis every single day. And hypnosis is that spot where you're not asleep and you're not awake. It's that twilight in between where your conscious mind is active and your subconscious mind is also active.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Okay, so if if both of them are active at the same time, one of course we're aware of, and one we're not uh aware of, um how do they interact with each other? And is there one like conscious mind that supersedes the subconscious, or does the subconscious and what's there supersede the conscious?

SPEAKER_03 4:06

Well, I think before I like your question, but I want to get into some definitions first.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Let's talk about what the subconscious mind is and what it does. So the subconscious mind takes care of all the things that we don't think about. It takes care of our respiration when we're not paying attention to it, it takes care of our heart rate when we're not paying attention to it, it takes care of our blood pressure, our digestion, all the bodily functions that we are not paying attention to. Our subconscious mind is doing actively all the time. Subconscious mind has another role as well. It is the pre-programmed, it is the automatic. The conscious mind is our rational thinking, intelligent mind that has will, that has determination that contains your personality. But the subconscious mind works as well when we encounter situations, and what I mean by that is that we're always reacting to our environment. Is it too cold? Is it too warm? Is it too bright? Is it too dark? Here's people coming, who are they? I'm driving down the road. How do I do that? And all that's inside the subconscious mind. The conscious mind is thinking, well, I'd like to change the radio station. I want to hear a different song. Or, you know, I need to make a left turn at this corner. Oh, there are my friends and they're coming my way. It's that recognition, that active thought. That's the conscious mind. So with those those definitions, to answer your question, Lynn, the subconscious mind is the majority of your thinking power. So when we we say that, why do we use our subconscious mind so much? And the the answer to that is because we cannot handle all the things that are going on at the same time. Can I pay attention to your necklace and to Nina's glasses and the color of her blouse and the temperature of the room and what's on my feet and what's in my display all at the same time? That's too many thoughts, too much information. Now, I'm taking it in, but I can't focus on each one of them at a time. So I have to shunt some of my thinking power to the subconscious so that I can have this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

That makes sense. As you were speaking, I'm like, oh yes, I'm glad the subconscious keeps my heart going, my kidneys working.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

And all the other in internal functions as well, because if we had to think about every one of those, I don't think anyone would ever go anywhere. And would we even be able to communicate? It would just be yes, it would be too overwhelming.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

And that's that's the reason why we lean into the subconscious mind, which is a great thing, as long as it's programmed correctly.

Anxiety And Fight Flight Freeze

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Now there's the big caveat, right? As long as it's now we're getting to the program correctly. You know, as you were as you were talking, Chris, two things came to mind. Us uh speaking of you know the ability to focus or manage all of the um, I'm gonna say stuff because my mind can't think of the proper word for it. All of the stuff is a good thing. All the stimulus that comes in, that's the right word I was looking for. So people that are that have anxiety, for instance, um, you know, a lot of thoughts are going on in their head. Like people, you know, I know a couple of people who just have a lot of thoughts. Like there's a lot uh they're overwhelmed inside of their own world because they're constantly thinking about all these things. Is this because the subconscious mind is like I want to be really succinct in the question? Is it because the conscious mind or the subconscious mind they're not working properly or they're not talking to each other properly? Like, what would have that like I don't I don't experience that, but somebody who does experience that, it sounds like something's not connecting.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Yeah, there gets to a point where there's a lot of noise, right? And anxiety is really a state of fear, okay. Okay, and so where does fear exist? Fear exists in the fight, flight, freeze mechanism. So when we examine where anxiety exists, it's inside of that mechanism. So let's look at what happens when we experience anxiety and why we have all these thoughts. Well, when we experience anxiety, our blood pressure goes up, our heart rate increases, our respirations get more rapid and shallow. Well, when we have these, we're getting ready to go into there's a saber-toothed tiger, and he's coming to get me. Now, what do I do? Mode. Now, here we are in modern day life. There are no saber-toothed tigers. So the thoughts, now and you said people have a lot of thoughts, and what what happens is when we go out of our conscious rational thinking mind, and we go into our back of our brain, which happens when we get into the fight-flight freeze mechanism, then we get to the point where we are no longer we're thinking thoughts, but we're not understanding our thoughts, or rather, we're not able to focus on thoughts. So we have all because let's pretend that we were encountering a saber-toothed tiger, and we chose any one of those three options that we have. So if you were the fighter, you might pick up a stick and start swinging and try to focus on how I'm going to hit this cat to make sure that I hurt it, I disable it, and I get it to run away. So, where do I hit it? How do I hit it? Where are my strikes? How do I protect myself? But there's a lot of thoughts going on there in this particular in all these things. Then if we're going to flee, we're going to the flight mode, where do I run to? Where do I where do I go to? How do I get away as fast as I can? How can I escape this cat? Or if I go into freeze, maybe where do I hide? Where am I going to be protected, hidden and protected? There's all these thoughts going on. And just imagine now you're in an office and you're you're doing your regular daily work at work, and now the boss comes with a big extra job, and you have to do your job and this extra job. And now you got these thoughts. How am I gonna do this? But I need to do that, where I guess that's need to be now, but I have these other things. Thoughts start spiraling. But are we focused? Are we inside of the moment? No, we're inside of the back of our brain and just not thinking, we're reacting.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

So would an anxious brain, that's how I'm gonna what I'm gonna call it, is is an anxious brain kind of always in that reactive reaction reactive mode?

SPEAKER_00 13:23

I would think so.

Blood Sugar As An Anxiety Trigger

SPEAKER_03 13:25

No, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you one of the main triggers, and this is gonna find very interesting because we've all experienced it. Think about what happens when our blood sugar drops. You're getting so hungry that maybe you get a little woozy, a little dizzy. So that automatically kicks in adrenaline. If you think about the adrenaline, what that was adrenaline does it increases your heart rate, it rapid breathing, shallow breathing, blood pressure goes up. Sounds like anxiety to me. So a lot of people who have anxiety suffer from short-term blood sugar drops.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Oh interesting.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

That's interesting. That's the first time.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Very much so. Yeah, I hadn't really considered that, but yeah, yeah, okay.

Aha Moments And Mental Bandwidth

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Yeah, there's a there's a chemistry that goes all in our body, and the hormones and the signals tell us how to react, and some of those things are overarching to our conscious mind, you know. We like to think that we're always in control, right? We're always got it together, right? I can do anything I put my mind to, but that's not always the truth, and this let's examine where do we get those aha moments? Do we get them when we're thinking hardest, when we're putting max effort in? No, no, we get them when we're in the shower, right, when we're laying down to go to bed, when we're eating a sandwich.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

It's because the connection and the download from all the information happens at that time. We get the information that we've absorbed, we download it into the subconscious mind, where it makes the connection, all of a sudden, aha, I see it. Because we no longer have the other thoughts blocking our ability to make the connections.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Okay, so this is a question I have because you said that our minds, conscious, our subconscious mind and conscious mind always taking in information all the time. So when we do have an aha moment, is it because maybe we've taken in information, we've not been consciously or fully aware of it, but it comes in, it's stored in the subconscious, and then at another time when we are in the shower or eating our sandwich or what have you, and uh have we're we're thinking about something, you know, like gee, you know, how am I gonna solve this problem? And then the aha moment comes. Is it is so are those aha moments always something where we've taken in information, maybe I'm gonna use the words um uh put the pieces together with other information, and then at the moment that we are, hmm, how is that problem solved? It's like it the puzzle has come together and it's ah aha, and it all feeds through into our conscious mind.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Correct. And here's another interesting thing, it's at that point we build the program.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Say you just had an aha.

unknown 17:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

You build that program that the subconscious runs. Remember, when we clear space by using the subconscious mind with pre-programmed things, we have more space to do what we do in our conscious mind. The conscious mind can only do about three to nine bits of information at any time. When we're in a very low state, it's minus two. When we have this amazing insight, it might be plus four. So you can think about the range as like one to thirteen average, it's three to nine. Okay. When you think about that, it's limiting. If you can only do three to nine individual operations at one time, that's limiting. Because think about it, like you're you're going to eat something, and you see it, you smell it, and you taste it. What else do you have left? You've used the you used a bunch of your of your abilities right there, just in that one action. Okay, I'm gonna take the fork and put it in out, but but how many other more things can I do?

SPEAKER_00 18:58

You know, so no balance of checkbook, and I know I see your I see your writing there, read a book, you you're figuring out how to get to the moon at the same time, maybe I gotcha.

The Subconscious Stores Everything

SPEAKER_01 19:13

It's funny that that's you know, that's what I was alluding to. It's that that constant like thinking. And as you were speaking, and when you were speaking, I was wondering, does the subconscious mind then hold everything? Like everything I've ever experienced?

SPEAKER_03 19:32

That's correct, like everything in in a hypnotic trance, we can regress you to individual days. Like if I'm if you like if we could get you to experience your first day at school again, and you would you'd realize you'd know where your mom was, what clothes you were wearing, how you felt, what your teacher looked like, what the other kids looked like, and it's somewhere that's buried, you probably will never think about that.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

No, but now you make me think about it.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

I was just gonna say, John.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Not only I got all the details, I can answer all those questions.

False Memory And Safer Regression

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Right, and and you see, but okay, in the inside of this conversation, we're generating a light trance so that we can access some other things. Things become sharp. Um, it's unfortunate because there is some false memory that exists, you know. This is why hypno hip hypnosis is not admissible as evidence in a court of law.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Oh so how does false memory become generated then?

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Because we we have perspective, and we also we're injecting our net our self now into the self of the past. Ah, got it. Okay, you know, so we have we have our frame of reference and think about it. And I this is the way I think of it. Every person that you've ever been, as far as this life, from when you were born to now, is standing behind you. You're the accumulation of all the ages that you've ever been, all the experiences you've ever had, all the things you've seen, all the things you've done, all the things you've tasted, all the places you've been. And so when you take that and you're you're from this perspective, and you try to bring it into the five year old perspective, your viewpoint is shifted. Because you can't be that same five-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

So you can't. So what I'm hearing you say is when you do go back to a memory, yes. An experience of a memory, it's you're not really going back in the purest form because you have everything else that comes with you.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Right. The and and what I do with with my clients, and this is push out a little bit here, is I have them step into the movie. So that they're observing being in second position.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Okay. As opposed to reliving it. Okay.

Trauma Surfacing When You Are Ready

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Yeah. Well, we can relive it, but but we but we it's better to be in second position. Because then we can observe, we can see, and we can take in the action, especially when it's a traumatizing event. We don't want to be in first position when it's a traumatizing event. We want to be in second position. The only time we bring into first position is when we want to empower the trauma, traumatized person to be their powerful self. And we do bring in the adult or the older person to tell them they're okay, tell them that they got through it, they survive, they're okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Okay, so I I I yeah, this is fascinating. I I do have a question, and speaking about trauma, um, there was an experience I had when I was five years old, and it was one that I literally had no memory of, as if it didn't exist until I was about 33. Through uh my growth process and what I was doing, the I'm gonna say memory of it came up, but not only the memory, I could I was actively experiencing in my physical body at that moment in time what happened. I could smell his breath and the alcohol all over him. I mean, it was a an extremely visceral experience. And now I'm I'm asking myself, and I'm asking you, was that a memory of something that I actually re-experienced and relived? Or was it my mind, because I was five, was it my five-year-old self um in a place of interpretation of what happened? And that's it's hard for me to put it specifically into words, but it felt like this is exactly what happened. And I worked through it, and and as a result, I did thank the person and very much love the fact that that trauma and experience happened. Otherwise, we I wouldn't be here today, and maybe we wouldn't be talking today. Nonetheless, um, nonetheless, is that something that could be a false memory?

Habits Resistance And The Safety Job

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Probably not. I would say you you have a majority, and I say great majority, probably 95 to 98 percent of what you saw, experienced, got in viscerally, was the truth. Okay, and the reason why I talk about false memory is because there are there are ways that hypnotists and hypnotherapists can lead clients, and that's where the false memory can come in. But sometimes false memories serve you, you know, like imagine yourself that you're in a danger situation, and we don't always don't want to really think about it. We're in this dangerous situation, but we think about ourselves now. Instead of being the small child, you're 10 feet tall. Think of how how different the perspective is and how empowering you you become if you're 10 foot tall as opposed to being a child. Well, it it's a false memory that saw serves you in a positive way. So this is where we can lead, but if we're trying to exude actual memories, we don't want to lead. We want the client to go in, experience it, have them be there, let them experience it if that's what they need. Now, why didn't you why weren't you able to get to it at till that age? Because your subconscious mind was doing its job and keeping you safe. Okay, and when you were safe enough to re-experience it, that's when it came up. Because you would not experience it if you were not safe. That is one of the main jobs of the subconscious mind. It decides what's well, you decide what's safe, whatever that is. And a great example of this is smoking. Because no one smokes the first time and says, I love this, this is my life, I have to smoke. I mean, you just don't pick up a cigarette or a cigar or and say, oh, that's amazing. I mean, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

I'm sorry, but it's not just as you coughing it up and coughing it out trying to say danger, danger.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Exactly. But but then again, what are the reasons that you're doing it? There's a whole lot of reasons. Well, there was this guy I was trying to impress. I wanted to look cool, I wanted to fit in, but once you get past that this is not good, and you start doing a habit, now it's good. It's what I do now. Trying to undo that is now the bad thing. Interesting. Yeah, that's you. So the subconscious mind's job is to keep you safe. It'll keep you safe in any way it can. That's what causes resistance. Exactly. Yeah, and and and then whenever we're we're trying to break habits or change habits, and I I use this silly example with people all the time. I don't tell them, I tell them, what foot did you put on the floor when you got out of bed today?

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Oh, I can tell you.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Okay, okay, okay, and and I and I can almost guarantee it's almost always the same foot, unless there's a reasonably right not for that foot to be the first foot. Right, for instance, if you had this big cut on your foot and you always put your right foot down first, you would avoid the right foot, obviously. But otherwise, if that's your thing, you're gonna put the right foot down first, you're gonna keep doing it. Why? It's because what you do, go try to change it. You may change it for three, four, five days. There's gonna come a day you're gonna go back because the subconscious mind's gonna say, No, I don't do that. Oh, I do this, and it's a silly thing, something as silly as I put my right foot down first. I put my right sock on when I get dressed first.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

You know, now I'm thinking, okay, what do I do?

SPEAKER_03 30:31

It's I mean, it you say what we create these systems, and and you know, how do I tie my shoes? Do I tie the left foot first or the right foot first?

SPEAKER_00 30:46

It's it's interesting because I I I am very aware of those patterns. I don't know why, but I have become aware of those are things that it's not a big deal. But then we get to other patterns. Oh, yes, yes are have more significance in terms of how we truly live our lives and decisions we make and things that take place as we go forward, and maybe that's why I pay attention to the smaller patterns in order to really start looking at what are the larger patterns in terms of what's taking place and how I'm making decisions and why and all of that.

Motivation Carrots And Adult Play

SPEAKER_03 31:31

It's very true because we we all have our little idiosyncrasies, right? And that's what makes us individuals. It's unimportant to take away the idiosyncrasies, but when it comes to things that are blocking us from doing what we want to do in our conscious, rational, thinking, intelligent mind, you may say, Hey, it's January 2nd. I'm joining a gym, and I'm going to go to the gym five times a week. Now, your mind, your willpower, and one of my mentors says, What is willpower? The thing that you can never find when you need it. You thinking about it, are you gonna do it? The only way you do it is you either and and you do it, you give yourself incentive to do it. Well, if I go to the gym five times a week, then I'm gonna fit into that dress that I want to get into. Or hey, I've got a wedding coming up and I'm gonna wear this suit. Or I want to look good when I'm on the beach.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Yeah, that's an incentive for many.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Yeah, yeah. Um so when we use that kind of like carrot to make the horse go forward, so to speak, we can create the momentum. There's gonna come a day, about 10, 12 days in, the momentum gets a little bit down, and do we go to the gym? And if we can find the character's gonna drive us, we'll go to the gym and we'll keep keep moving forward. And you know, the other thing that that I see, and look, I got this pattern, I'm gonna fess up. You start a project, you're all in, you're gung-ho, you got all these ideas, you're doing everything, and all of a sudden, you kind of peter out. It's like, oh, this is hard now. It's not as fun as when I first started. And so you gotta find the motivation, how to keep going. What is what makes it fun? Right, and and and one of the things that somebody said to me a long time ago that makes so much sense is that the way that you live as an adult is you have to play. If you can play in the things that you do, you will always be successful. But that's because you're feeding your subconscious mind. Because what do children want to do?

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Play.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

And what did we where did our subconscious mind develop when we were children? So maybe the play is a little bit different than what it was. Maybe we don't want to go skipping rope anymore. Maybe we don't want to do the hand claps that the girls do. Maybe we we don't want to um I'm drawing a blank. Um hopscotch. Hopscotch.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

Yeah, or or or or or jax. Oh, Chris, you're bringing back big memories. I love jacks. I love jacks.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Maybe we don't want to play goldfish anymore. But we have other games that we can play. I mean, we can and I I know for me when I'm doing things and I can make it a game, I'm much more successful. I'm much more successful. It's a game I get to challenge myself, I get to see how good I can do, I get to and the only and for me, I try not to try to go up against anybody else, like try to use them as a benchmark. I'm the benchmark in my game. How can I do it a little bit better today? How can I do it a little bit, have a little bit more fun doing it? How can it be more interesting? How can I be more involved? Because let's face facts. Memorizing facts is are is boring. Yes. I mean, we have to do it, but memorizing facts are boring, you know. We don't we don't want to sit there. Oh, I want to memorize all history, you know, it's boring. But if we can make it fun and we can make it relatable, then we do it. But remember, we're using that part of our subconscious mind.

Setting Goals That Keep Moving

SPEAKER_01 37:00

I love it. It's like it's like a hack. It's like a hack to to do something. It's funny that you talked about you know starting projects, and yeah, I'm infamous for starting things and getting right almost to the finish line, and they make I don't do this anymore. But the other thing that uh brought to my brought uh you brought to mind when you were talking was um many moons ago, I decided I wanted to climb the sea and tower. So I'm in Toronto, just in case anyone wants to know why I'm talking about the Sea and Tower. I live uh just outside of Toronto, and the Sea and Tower is a very tall, tall, tall structure with 1,776 stairs. And what happened, I'll tell a little story so that we so I can build it up. So what happened was I was going to, I was taking a course at the University of Toronto, and I had to walk upstairs. And I walked up like two flights, and I was like, oh my God, out of breath. I can't believe oh, I don't, you know, and I I was how old was I then? Maybe oh, I don't remember in my late 30s, early 40s. And I thought to myself, how can I be this age and out of breath walking upstairs? So my crazy mind said, you know what? I need to get in shape. But the thing that motivated me, I'm like, I need to find something to motivate myself, which is I'm gonna walk up the CN Tower. So I'm going from two flights of stairs to try to walk 144 flights of stairs, and then of course, I have to, you know, call in all my buddies and say, okay, who wants to do this with me? Because I want to do this by myself. And you know, I did a whole lifestyle change in order to be able to walk up those stairs. And the reason I'm sharing this story is it's that that carrot ended the minute I finished walking up the stairs. The carrot, so then I stopped being more healthy, I stopped working out because I did it. I walked up the stairs at that time. I think I did it in like 35 minutes. I did it twice more and I got slower and slower each time, but that's irrelevant. It's interesting that what I'm hearing is when we're working with our subconscious, because it's so resistant to change or something new or outside of our comfort zone. When we make it more fun or we have maybe a longer game in mind, uh, it makes it, I'm not gonna say easier, maybe more fun, maybe more challenging. I I just like I think it's important for us to in the conversation like walk away with the hack because all of us deal with this. I can't, I like I think all human beings have some sort of this thing that happens to us.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Yes, yes. I the other thing I was thinking too is if we could find a way for that carrot to be something that just okay, so we've gone here, now we can go here. Oh, let's make the carrot here, and let's make it here, and just keep moving that carrot until the subconscious, I'm gonna say, reprograms itself to go, oh well, I guess this is what we're doing now.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

No, it's very true. And and if we can find that space that works. So for me, it's Disneyland because I was born, raised, and grew up in LA. In fact, I was established the same year that Disneyland was. We're only looking apart. So, and so when I get to a you know, certain point, I'm like, you get to go to Disneyland.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

See? There's the carrot.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

And then there's the carrot, and I have a fabulous time, and then I get to another point. I'm like, oh, this time we're gonna do Disneyland and California Adventure, and then that worked, and then I'm like, oh, I haven't been to Universal in a long time. Oh, I could go to Disneyland on Saturday and go to Universal on Sunday. I love amusement parks if you didn't notice.

Stopping Self Blame Spirals

SPEAKER_03 41:07

Yes, but it's play as adult really is motivating, and like I said, the the subconscious mind needs to be stimulated to do what it doesn't want to do. We have to give it a reason to do it, or it's gonna go back to oh, it's so much easier just to sit on the couch. Yeah, oh, it's just so much easier to instead of reading this book that's got information, then watch the TV. Oh, it's so much easier just to call for takeout instead of exploring making new recipes.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

So, Chris, a question to you is a lot of times when we fail or we're not successful at reprogramming our subconscious mind, we make ourselves wrong. And then there's that whole spiral and you know, vicious cycle that happens to us. Um, and you know, we make it something about ourselves. So what would you say, or how could you support people who are dealing with that piece to get out of like to interrupt that vicious cycle? Because what I'm hearing is we're we're kind of programmed that way. There's this programming that happens that kind of starts this cycle of I want to be comfortable, but no, I want this. Now I'm a bad person because I can't do this, when really we're kind of programmed that way.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

And and you're you're correct. We there's always uh we've learned from the negative. Going back to our childhood, the things that we think about the most that we get in we can touch right now are the negatives. It's a shame. Because do we think about well, we gotta be careful with that knife because it when I was two years old, I caught myself. I gotta I gotta make sure not to touch the hot stove because I'll burn myself. I gotta make sure that I walk when I before I cross the street because mom grabbed my arm and yanked me back and scared me. So we have all these we or I have to be careful when I'm riding my bike because I fell. So we have all these things, and it's all the the negatives that we learn from. And there's a there's a good thing about that, because the Negatives can challenge us because just think of it this way we were successful all the time. Everything we ever did, we did perfectly the first time. There was no challenge. What would make you want to do anything else? There is the negative stress that drives us as humans. But there is that, because we have the we learn from the negative, there's a voice inside of us, that critical voice, that you're wrong, you're not good enough, you can't do this. How do we shut that voice off? We go outside of ourselves. Because the way that we view ourselves versus the way that other people view us, if you were to ask your friends about, hey, let's talk about Lynn, and they would have all these glowing things to say about you, and you would say, Well, but I didn't do this, and I didn't do that, and I could have done this, and I've been more supported here. I mean, they can could say, Well, I should have done this. Why didn't I do that this earlier in my life? But that's that's our own perspective inside critical voice that's always talking to us. What other people see is say, wow, Nina, when she was a certain age, changed her whole life. I wish I could do that, but we don't see that. Right? So when we look out, we take a different perspective, and that's the key word. Yes, when we change the frame of where we're looking, we can create success because we know that's not true. What we're saying about ourselves is really not true. What other people see is more the truth. So that's a good way to think about it is when we change our perspective, we can see more. And I always liken this too. You ever you ever been around the house? You're going to go out and you can't find your keys. Oh my god, where's my keys? I don't know where to put them. Where's my keys? My keys. And you're walking, you're walking, and you're walking, and then all of a sudden you just turn around and they're right in front of your face. Yes, yes. Why? Because you weren't in that perspective. When you change your perspective, everything became clear, and it was right there.

Building Confidence With Anchors

SPEAKER_00 47:01

Yes. Okay, so is there a way to go through hypnosis to change perspective and also to eliminate the critical voice, if you will, the internal critical voice?

SPEAKER_03 47:16

Well, the perspective, like I said, it's it's by standing outside yourself, looking at the movie of yourself, seeing who you really are, as compared to what you're seeing. The other thing that the people lack, they lack confidence. Even if they show up and they present as confident, they still lack confidence. Like you'll see the speaker on the stage, and they are they just look so cool, they look like they got everything together, they're doing it exactly the way you would want to do it. But you didn't see them 10 minutes before when they were looking in the mirror and they were like, Oh, I don't know if I can do this, uh, and and then even if they did it a hundred times, they go through that moment of self-doubt, and where I'm not good enough. So when we eliminate the thought of I'm not good enough, I have enough confidence, and how we do that is we create a physical feeling, okay, because we the mind and the body are connected. So when I uh you could you could think of a time when you were confident, let's let's just take a second and think of a time when you were confident, and you can connect your that physical feeling where you felt it in your heart, your chest, your arms, your head. And then we bring that in and we anchor it, and every time you think about it, you become confident. I like to do it with something simple like rubbing your hands together or rubbing your fingers together. Every time you rub your fingers like this, you'll feel confident, and you'll think about that feeling and you'll feel it. Every time you put your hand on your chest, you'll feel I'm good enough. I love myself. When I when you could do those two things, you can do anything.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

I like that. I like that very much.

Energy Connection And Radiating Calm

SPEAKER_03 49:52

So there are there are some and I'm I'm giving away some stuff, but that's okay. It it's but it you know, uh it's it when we create the physical, we attach to it. Right? There's think of it like you're in your boat and you don't want to go anywhere, so what do you do? You thrott an anchor, right? So where do I if I want to not get out of confidence, I'm gonna create an anchor. If I want to get out of, I want to get into, I'm good enough, I create that feeling, okay, create that anchor. And the interesting part about it, it's just like learning how to, I don't know, sew. Learning like learning how to sew. We don't know how to sew when we first start. We gotta practice. We're gonna do it and do it and do it and do it, right? But the more we do it, the better we get. The more you do it, the easier it becomes. And if you keep doing these things, we keep anchoring our anchor with the thought of hey, I'm good enough, hey, I'm confident, hey, I'm smart, I'm intelligent, hey, I'm good looking enough, I'm attractive. Because we all have this other this other part of us that people think that we don't look good. Well, this is you know, we're looking at ourselves, you know, because we can see every little minor flaw in ourselves. Yesterday there wasn't that. I I don't want that. So if we we see every little detail, people aren't looking at every little detail. I mean, we may look and see and say, Wow, Lynn's got very kind eyes. You look at Nina, and her eyes are compassionate, and that may be an attachment, and that's something that people might notice. But you're looking at, oh my makeup's not right today. I I I I I did something wrong, yeah, or or I messed up my mascara or for a man, oh oh, my my hair is just not staying in the right position. I want it to be here, it's not there. So when you when you think about that, and we we look into little little tiny little details. That's not what people are seeing. They're seeing the bigger picture. There's and and what's really interesting is that we see auras inside of people. We don't notice it, but we see their aura, we connect with their aura. We don't connect with our own aura, so we're missing that part of it. Because we're so busy living inside of it. How can we notice that there is this big energy field that's around every one of us? Because secret, we're all electrochemical magnetic, all of us, yes, yes, we can't escape that, no, so we had all this stuff going on, and we can't see it, but we but we can radiate it, and that's another thing that we can do, right? Radiate out that those good feelings out to everybody. Connection, how do I make connection? Radiate, radiate those good feelings out of how I can feel good and how people feel good about me. This part works, and that's how that's how we defeat the negative thoughts, the negative feelings, the feelings of being small, and a lot of the anxiety, because a lot of anxiety is what I'm not good enough. Ah, okay. Well, I think how do we how do we get that defined? Because when we were in a bad spot, something chemical happened to us inside of our body.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Well, this has been excellent. This has been very, very good, and we can also see how, as you stated in the very beginning, we are always in a state of hypnosis. We're all we're in one way or another. So this has been incredible.

Quick Hypnosis Exercise In Daily Life

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Well, let me give you before we before we end this, I just want to do one little little tiny exercise for everybody who's watching this. Think about when you're in a movie theater. You're watching the movie. Do you know how much time passed? No. Do you do you start getting involved with the characters so much that if it's a really sad scene, you might cry? Yes. You may have a character that you're rooting for, and when something great happens to them, you get elated. When something bad happens to them, you feel it in the pit of your stomach. That's hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

That makes sense.

Workshop Invite And Closing

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Well, go ahead. This has been a fabulous conversation. There's like it has. I could talk to you for hours, Chris. And luckily, we're gonna have a series, so we get to talk to you again. Um, I have you that we're gonna be talking next time about developing personality traits. So that's gonna be an interesting conversation. So for those of you who loved what we were talking about today, I don't know why you wouldn't, because it was fascinating. Um, please also tune in for this other our next conversation in the series. And on top of that, we are so happy to have Chris actually facilitate a workshop for us live on May. I have to look at my calendar, everybody, because I'm old school. I have a calendar. On May the 17th, mark your calendars at 5 p.m. Um, we don't have all Eastern time. 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We will Pacific time.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

It's daytime, by the way. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Friday, May 17th, at 2 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, 5 p.m.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

Oh, it's daytime. It's daytime. We're in daylight savings time.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Pacific Daylight Time at 2 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. Daylight. 5 p.m. Details Eastern Daylight Time.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Absolutely. Uh, and we will have more information up as soon as you'll find it uh in the show notes, and we are so excited to have a live conversation. You get Chris for at least an hour and a half. You can ask questions. He's going to be presenting some beautiful information, but don't forget to tune in to our next conversation about personality traits. Until next time.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

Thank you so much, Chris. Thank you, Chris. It was fabulous.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

My pleasure. My pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

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