Healers Talk Healing Podcast

Discover the Secrets to Spiritual and Physical Harmony with Ana Lali Munoz and Michael Fikaris

Miracles Directory Season 1 Episode 16

Embark on an enlightening path to wellness as I, alongside Anna Lali Munoz and Michael  Fikaras, unravel the essence of holistic healing. Our conversation uncovers the power of the mind-body-spirit connection as we navigate the complexities of self-realization and spiritual evolution. We delve into Anna's transformative techniques for reshaping life patterns and achieving profound meditative states, while Michael shares his wisdom on recognizing our spiritual identity and cultivating inner harmony. This episode promises to shift your perspective on healing, presenting it as a never-ending journey of balance and wellness, rather than a fixed destination.

Physical discomfort often whispers secrets about our deeper emotional and spiritual landscape, a truth I discovered through my own battle with back pain. This episode illuminates the significance of listening to your body's subtle signals, as I recount the journey from attributing my pain to physical strain to uncovering its emotional roots. We'll explore the rise of self-care trends, emphasizing the importance of introspection and self-discovery—vital tools in turning inward to heal. Michael lends his expertise on accessing the subconscious mind to reveal the underlying causes of physical ailments, further intertwining our discussion about the integral relationship between our bodies and our inner selves.

As we wrap up our exploration, we touch on the themes of self-discovery and the transformative power of laughter in the healing process. I share insights into how modern distractions can lead us away from our spiritual and physical connections, and how we can reclaim our narrative by becoming the architects of our own lives. This episode equips you with the practical tools and knowledge necessary for enacting lasting change, encouraging an attitude of active self-observation and engagement. Join us as we inspire you to embrace your spiritual independence, equipping you with the confidence to navigate life's challenges with grace and self-sufficiency.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast where we gather to explore the art and science of holistic healing, uncovering the secrets to a happier, healthier you. I'm your host, nina Ganguly, and together we will delve into the intriguing world of holistic healing, delving into the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom and natural remedies to the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom and natural remedies. Get ready for enlightening stories, thought-provoking expert interviews and practical tips that will empower you to unlock your true potential and embrace a vibrant, balanced life. Whether you're an experienced wellness enthusiast or simply curious about the power of healing, join us on this exhilarating journey as we share the wisdom and insights that can truly transform your life. It's time to embark on a voyage towards a happier, healthier you. So, without further ado, let's dive into the captivating world of Healers Talk Healing. Welcome to this episode of Healers Talk Healing, where I'm joined by two extraordinary individuals who have dedicated their lives to the art of spiritual and personal transformation.

Speaker 1:

Our first guest, Anna Lali Munoz, carries the legacy of healing in her veins as the granddaughter of a revered healer, anna's journey into the world of healing was not pre-planned, but a destiny shaped by the universe itself. For years, she was a self-taught seeker, until a pivotal encounter helped her organize and validate her knowledge, propelling her to embrace her calling fully. Anna specializes in guiding others to reach meditative states, breaking free from limiting patterns and the shackles of conditioned programming. Her teachings extend to numerology and hosting transformative retreats across the globe, rooted in Ascend teachings and holistic nutrition for nourishing body, mind and soul. Joining her is Michael C Ficaras, whose early encounters with spirits and angels marks his unique spiritual beginnings in the heart of the USA. Raised amidst the spiritual dichotomies of Catholic and Greek Orthodox teachings, michael's quest for truth led him to explore psychology and self-improvement until a life-altering meeting with his spiritual mentor at 26 redefined his path. Founding the Foundation for Spiritual Freedom, michael has since been a beacon of guidance, empowering thousands through his centers, workshops and lectures worldwide, fostering self-healing, enlightenment and prosperity. Together, Anna and Michael share insights on transcending traditional healing paradigms and embracing one's innate potential to manifest health and happiness. Tune in as they unfold the mysteries of spiritual freedom and self-realization.

Speaker 1:

In today's enlightening discussion on Healers Talk Healing. In today's enlightening discussion on Healers Talk Healing, I am once again super excited to speak to two powerful healers here on this episode. I've got Michael and I've got Ana with me and this, I think, is going to be a beautiful conversation. We haven't had a lot of preamble, but I feel the energy coming through. We are all over the world, which is so cool right now. Michael, you're in Finland, correct?

Speaker 2:

Sweden.

Speaker 1:

Sweden. Okay, all right, you're in Sweden and, anna, you're in Uruguay, correct? I'm in Uruguay, you got one right and I'm in Canada, so this is just wonderful. I love technology. I love that we can use it for our advantage. Um and so, as most of our listeners know, I always ask this question. So I'm going to start with you, anna. What is your definition of healing?

Speaker 3:

of healing. I believe the the best definition that I can come up with for healing is to give the of the power that it has the creation of the reality, the ability to create their reality and to change patterns that sometimes give us blockages. So when we let the spirit express, we are healed. That's powerful and I have proven in myself, so I know it works like that mostly I would.

Speaker 1:

I would definitely agree that it's definitely a three-pronged approach and you know we're gonna get into it a little more as we continue our conversation. So, michael, off to you. What is your definition of healing?

Speaker 2:

well, that's a. That's a hard definition to follow, because that was really a good one. For me. It's about body, mind and soul. We are spirits, and part of the healing is self-identification. I think there's an identity crisis where people think they're the body and we're not. We're actually spiritual beings and we get to be on this planet for a while, and part of the healing is really understanding and learning who you really are and why you're here, but also living in harmony on all all these levels mental, emotional, physical and spiritual and, uh, being authentic as well, being true to yourself, and everything else will take care of itself because we have these incredible bodies that can heal literally heal anything, you know. We have to realize what we can do as spiritual beings on this planet, in these, this physical form that's the best way to describe it.

Speaker 1:

I guess yeah, it's a. Those are two very powerful definitions. Uh, you know what I'm learning along in my journey? It is not just mind, it's not just body, it's not just spirit and soul. There is a marriage and a synergy between the three that have that, I say, have to happen for complete healing in our journey. Now, I don't know if we ever get to be fully healed. I'm not sure about that because I've been doing this for about 17 years and there's still stuff that comes up. Where the heck did that come from? Out of you know, out of left field, and it's so interesting. But what I wanted to ask both of you is given the definitions that you've provided, how do you incorporate that in the work that you do with your clients?

Speaker 3:

Well, I invite everyone to be the emperor of their life. I find out this Chinese letter that is called the emperor and is. It's a line that integrates three other lines. You know, like this, okay, where if you have your physical, your mental, mental, emotional and spiritual all integrated because people take a lot of care of their bodies but they don't take care of their spirit they don't go into that balance.

Speaker 3:

So, when you have the three realms in a balance, you're actually the owner of your life. You know you are the authority of your life. So I just encourage everyone to check out those levels and and seek that balance, and then we give them tools and or weapons or whatever they need to find their balance.

Speaker 1:

I love that you said weapons, because sometimes it is like shields up, especially when you're putting up boundaries, boundaries. We struggle with boundaries and I'm resonating because I'm in this last year. I've been learning, oh, you know how to interrupt generational patterns and create boundaries and you're like it does feel like a weapon that you're using, or maybe on the receiving end it feels a no, feels like a weapon. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3:

Or when we have like an imbalance in ourselves. Sometimes it feels like an attack on ourselves, you know. So there's something foreign that we have attracted, somehow that is fighting with us.

Speaker 1:

We need to fight back hmm, yeah, it does feel like a fight sometimes, for sure know who's the boss michael, what about for you?

Speaker 2:

uh approach to healing. Was that the question?

Speaker 1:

yeah, what about for you Approach to healing? Was that the question?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Given the definition that you provided, what is your approach with yourself and with the people you work with? Yeah Well, the people I work with, I take a look at them as a spirit and I look at them on all the levels. Basically, I mean, there's a lot of levels, but let's stay those four levels spiritual, mental, emotional and physical. And um, because they're all interconnected and what we know is that, as spiritual beings, we have a lot to learn, and we'll come in to this planet all knowing and totally you know, one with the creator or however you want to look at it, and so, as long as we're on this planet, we have something to learn, and that means that we need to learn on all the levels, because our bodies are an extension of who we are as spirits. It's the extension of the mind, basically.

Speaker 2:

And so I address I start with the physical, because that's what people are conscious of physical problems, or it could be emotional problems, problems, and those are strongly connected, and then I'll maybe ask some questions, but usually I'll just take a look and see, okay, what's the spiritual connection here, and I will give them, you know, some supplements or something like that suggestions I'm a self supplements, but suggestions on things they could do for the physical body, suggestions they could do on the other levels as well, so that they can get past it. And then, really, though, I encourage them to take a look at why they've manifested this problem, whatever the problem is at, because everything is a learning lesson. This, basically, is a school for us to self-discover who we are and to learn what we need to know as spirits and to be our true selves I love something that you said about looking at what we're manifesting um, because a lot of people will be like I didn't manifest this is not what I asked for.

Speaker 1:

I remember discovering when you are responsible and air quotes for people who can't see us. You know when you're responsible for your life. Then, looking back and for me, I experienced abuse for a very long time Like, how do I take responsibility for that? You know, how do you, how do you take responsibility for something that happened when you were very young and you know, move with that and I know that. You know I, I went through therapy, I went through coaches energy healing is what I'm doing right now and experiencing personal growth and development. But when you're working with your clients, how do you help them see that responsibility or that they're in charge of the manifestation is actually a gift, that it's something that you get to now take control of actually a gift that that it's something that you get to now take control of.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a that's a good question, because it's not that easy. And but if you give them the tools to connect the subconscious mind with the conscious mind, or the super conscious mind with conscious mind, they'll have that, that opportunity to see that they needed everything to get to where they are now. You know it's part of their process and there's no accidents, there's no coincidences or anything like that. For example, uh, when you talk about victimism, so you probably know this but, uh, if somebody, if a four-year-old, gets hit by a car, that four-year-old, as a spirit, put her body in front of the car because it was time for that to happen.

Speaker 2:

Whether she lives or dies, or he lives or dies, is part of their learning process, and Everything happens for a reason and for a good reason, no matter how horrible it may seem. It's something we absolutely need and, like you were saying, we have to take responsibility for our lives. It's the only way to bring in your ability to heal. Otherwise, power is outside of yourself. Whoever you're blaming, they have the power, or that situation has the power.

Speaker 3:

Right, yes.

Speaker 2:

So getting people to really get that takes a little time. You have to kind of bring it, because I want them to discover what it is I don't say okay, you have this happen to you, so you could learn this lesson no.

Speaker 1:

That could be right or wrong. Most of them will be like, yeah, you need to, just I'm walking away now, goodbye.

Speaker 3:

Some people are very scared to realize how powerful they are, even to create these stepping stones for the evolution.

Speaker 2:

Exactly.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think that's a missing for us is seeing the power, is knowing our power, because many of us feel a victim of our circumstances at the you know, at the effect of our circumstances and when we are there in the drama. I say drama because I think we create these these beautiful stories and epic novels about what has happened to us. I know I did it, for sure, you know, I know I'm a drama queen. So when things are not going my way, I'm certainly creating soap operas and bringing back all the characters and the players, some that may not even exist. You know, I don't know if you've seen those soap operas where dead people come back like 14 times and they never die. So you know, I am, I know that about myself, but I know now that I have enough tools to say, okay, this drama is only going to last for about an hour versus years. So you know, I I I think it's important for us to get that. That's what we do.

Speaker 1:

We tell ourselves so many stories about the things that have happened and some of them, yes, are very serious and they're tragic and they're things that have happened to us. But when we gain that awareness and the things, you know Michael you were talking about and Anna both both talking about that three-pronged approach or the four-pronged approach it's realizing that it impacts us at all levels and we have to begin to release at all the levels. Like you said, in the subconscious, for instance, when I was sharing that, things come up I didn't even realize I hadn't processed them. I know they happened, I know I had a thought about them and then maybe I put it aside and then four years later, or five or 20 years later or 30 years later, this thought comes up in and it does impact the body.

Speaker 1:

I think it's really important for us to talk about this impact, this connection about when we don't handle things in a way that's healing, what it does to all of our bodies, and sometimes we don't even feel it. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because I'm just discovering this now. So I'm discovering all the unprocessed stuff that's impacting my liver and impacting my kidneys and impacting all the things that I don't feel but have been told they're not in good shape right now. So there's some healing that still needs to be done. Most of us that aren't in our this particular world of spirituality and healing don't really connect to or don't understand. So can you guys talk about that a little bit more to help the lay person really understand those important connections?

Speaker 3:

What I believe is that if we don't go deep into what has happened to us or we are living at the moment, if we don't talk, our body will. So it's like our body is like our gps. So and some people says, well, but I really don't understand what. Just think, you know, in a natural way, okay, your leg is hurting. What are your legs for walking? Natural way, okay, your leg is hurting. What are your legs for walking? You know, moving um, going forward or going backwards, you know, but just don't stay. You know, like stuck in a place, because that's what they were made for, okay. So where are you staying stuck? Where are you not walking to or getting away, or approaching, or just think in a very like a kid. You know in a very simple way, because also we have this program, that the most complicated is the better and not.

Speaker 3:

So just go to the simple things what? What's the nose for, what's the eye for, what's the hair for? Okay, so where are you suffering from? And take it from there. That's what I encourage people just to see, because our body will talk. Our body is our first manifestation, you know, coming as a spirit. We create this body to live. You know, we live within this, this body. So this body is our house. If the plumbing is going, something is coming, you know, before it overflows the whole house. Well, look, there's a leak. There's a leak. What does this mean?

Speaker 3:

or same thing is gonna happen to us so I just think we have to be in this state of observation in and it's not to be um traumatized, you know, like you know, it's not like that, it's just to to watch ourselves. We are in this state of always looking outside more and more. You know, before it was the tv, now it's the phone, 24 7. So just disconnect a little bit and observe what you are feeling, what is hurting you, what is moving, what is making you not walk. So well, and take it from there.

Speaker 1:

Beautifully said because I actually have experienced that, like a few months ago, and I've shared on, I think, another episode. A few months ago, I could barely move. Wow, my back was hurting so badly. I was using a, I was using a walking stick to help me walk. I had to rest very so often and I happened to go to this psychic fair and sit in front of a very powerful woman and nothing happens.

Speaker 1:

Coincidentally, right, she was the only person who had nobody sitting in her booth, and so I said, okay, I'm going to sit at her booth and just I told her do what you think you need to do, tell me what you think you need to tell me. I was actually looking for some guidance about the future. She said, yeah, I'm not going to do that Because you need. You're completely blocked. Your whole entire spine is blocked with things that you've not processed, your anger, things that you hold on to, things that you pick up from other people. Because you're an intuitive and it's like, oh, okay, well, that that makes sense. So you were when you're saying you know, think, what does your back do for you to to move? It's the whole foundation of your whole body. So exactly when you say that it's starting to make sense. And that is when she said oh, you got to look at your internal organs. Your internal, your internal organs are being impacted by all of the things you have not processed or let go of or cleansed. Some of it's yours and some of it's not. And so when she did some energy work and she released a lot of the energy within a week, no more pain. Now I've been able, I'm walking almost perfectly fine. You know and I'm sharing this because of what we're talking about for the listeners to understand how integral it is to take the time, like you said, listen to your body.

Speaker 1:

I obviously knew something was going on. I didn't even realize it was that. I just part thought oh, you know, I hurt myself from moving, like we were moving and packing and doing all sorts of things and I thought maybe I injured myself, and it was well I did, but not at that, not at the level that I thought. Maybe I injured myself, and it was well I did, but not at that, not at the level that I thought. And I think it's important for us to really get to understand the it's simple but complex at the same time, like you know, yeah, I just saw this, I just saw this real on social media about us saying you know the word the healing is is a very trending word right now self-care and healing and doing the spiritual work it's, it's the way of the world is moving.

Speaker 1:

Maybe back I'm going to say back into cause. We, I think we moved away from it. We're moving back into it. And so this this time of understanding that it's an inside job, you know everything. It's a really like an inside job, and so I'm just I'm glad that you shared that to be quiet, to listen to your body, to get attuned to what it's telling you. So I wanted to ask you, michael, to what it's telling you. So I wanted to ask you, michael, when you are having someone get in, tuned to what their subconscious is telling you, how do you do that? How do you do that thing?

Speaker 2:

Well, first of all, it's about paying attention, because everything in this dimension nowadays distracts you from who you are, except for nature.

Speaker 2:

Of course, natural things will help you go inward, but you know, with all the technology and all the drama and the movies and everything else, and now social media, it's hard to pay attention. And now social media, it's hard to pay attention. So we have good meditation techniques that have you go inward and take a look and to connect, you know, spiritually and consciously in your body and um, and that that's important, because if you're not paying attention, you're going to manifest something physically to make you pay attention. That's the whole thing with the physical body. It's like the last resort. If you have a disease, like cancer or something like that, then you really haven't been paying attention because that's the extreme steps that have to be taken to get your attention. And people have huge transformations when they get into those situations. Suddenly everything else that wasn't important just disappears and they actually have the opportunity to heal because of it if they take, you know, responsibility for it and um, so okay, I went off in a different direction now.

Speaker 1:

So that's okay. That is okay. You just say what you want to say okay.

Speaker 2:

So, um, you know, we talked about these things with people. Uh, the, we have courses that put you on that track and uh, with healing processes and meditation things and all that and so anything. We kind of put knowledge together with taking steps in action and, um, uh, we, we do a lot of healing work of course, and we, you know, we do a lot of healing work of course and we do readings and courses and everything we have like a whole package. But the idea is we want people to be able to walk away, especially now, as soon as possible, and take care of their own lives, become fully the authority. Because, you know, we're raised to go to school for knowledge, go to a doctor for healing, go to a priest for spirituality, depend on the government to take care of us and wait for Jesus to show up. And you know, none of these things are a solution really. None of these things are a solution really, because we create our own reality. This is something people do not really get anymore and I think we had this knowledge I don't know how many thousands of years ago, but what I do know I've been a religious person my whole life and I read the Bible like four times all the way through, and then the course of miracles and all these different things, and basically they all say the same thing. It's just that people have taken all this important information and twisted it into something else, like, for instance, making Jesus a victim is ridiculous. I mean, he's the greatest teacher, probably, or one of the greatest teachers that ever walked the earth. On the other hand, making him God is ridiculous too, because he never said that. You know and this would probably piss off a lot of people but he never said he was the only son of God. That didn't come out of his mouth. You know. That was written way after. He said you're going to do what I did and better. That's what he said. You're going to do what I did and better. That's what he said, you know. So this is just one example of how we've been misled.

Speaker 2:

You know, for instance, who was it? I should know this Hippocrates. Is that his name? One of those Greek, the father of medicine? Hippocrates? Is that his name? One of those Greek, the father of medicine? Hippocrates, yeah, heal thyself, call him the father of medicine. He said heal thyself. He didn't say take this pill or take this medicine.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

That is such a I keep saying the same words important and profound because for people who are stepping into this world of, of healing, and even people who have been in the world of healing for a long time, sometimes we can forget, you know, when you get caught up in the I'm gonna say this propaganda of in the western world specifically that's the only world I know of, even though I'm South Asian by culture we get caught up in consumerism and then the consumerism creates a whole bunch of stuff. And that's where I'm going to leave it, because otherwise I can go off and that's going to be a whole different podcast. We have material, so you can call it right, that's a whole different podcast. But just be aware, and the things that you're saying is so important know thyself, know your body, know your ability to heal, like there's so many influential spiritual beings out there saying that same message is we have the ability to heal ourselves and in fact, we should not be in a state of disease or disease. So you know when you're saying. We manifest this and sometimes, like you said, you know our spirits choose something in order to learn a lesson. Maybe give a lesson who you know. We're not always sure why we are here until somebody helps, guide us, to figure out. Oh, that's a lesson, okay, cool.

Speaker 1:

You know, when I finally got for myself that my abuser, who was my father, is my biggest and best teacher, I wouldn't be in this place, I'm very clear. I wouldn't be here having these conversations with you had I not had those experiences. So somewhere before I came in, I said oh, this is a contract, this is what I want to experience. When I learned, learned that my first reaction was who would even sign up for that? That's crazy. But then who would want to sign up to be the abuser? That's crazy too. You know there's, you know definitely lessons, and I know maybe we're going way into the woo, but I believe the things that you're saying. I believe that we choose our lives. Then we come in, we forget because we've got to learn something.

Speaker 1:

Otherwise, if we come in knowing what's the point, and then you know, and then we react in our humanness and once we get to this, this point, you know, this point in our, in our, in our more. How can I say this, you know, like when you're in school, can like I'm not in kindergarten anymore, but I don't have my PhD. Up in another level, yeah, you know I'm, I'm definitely at it at a different level. But I find, at this level, when you let go of the blaming, the shaming, the guilt, the victimhood, um, just in that there's so much freedom because then there's more space to let other things in. And from what I'm hearing, both of you say that's really what you work together to create for others is the space to let that stuff in, to have that self-discovery, understand the connections, and I know, um, you know the both of you work together. What is it that you do? What is the beautiful gifts that you bring to the world to help people find that balance and the integration.

Speaker 3:

What is it? I think every teacher and every healer, everyone that encourages people to find themselves, should laugh. Laughter is one of the best medicines and Michael and I, when we are together, we're always laughing, you know, we always have a laugh. So I think the high vibration by itself is just one big dose of healing right there. So when people are connected to these other energies that you were saying, like victimhood, drama, pa-pa-pa-pa, okay, you really go in the basement of your emotions, you know, and that's that's never the way to heal. You know, once you start looking back, like you said, wow, I created this with my dad, this is my pact with it. That's kind of like a crappy deal, but you know, he was one of the greatest teachers and that petty tyrant made me this strong woman, made me this aware woman, made me who I am now. Because if somebody that's supposed to love me so much treated me, treated me in such way, you let the others come, you know nobody is going to be, you know, yeah that's what I think.

Speaker 3:

Thank you for loving me so much that you treat me so shitty that I am this strong, because no one else is going to disrespect me from now on.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I have to keep that. I'm going to play that over and over again. Thank you for treating me so shitty.

Speaker 3:

No one else is going to be in such level because, in a way, deep inside, you helped, created me. You know I'm your daughter. Daughter, you know, and many people think the same way of God. You know, you are my father and here I am in, you know, just trying to mend my life somehow and you exist. That's crap, you know, and and no, it's like okay, thank you, because you are helping me to be a very strong person. You know, like the petty tyrants in in mexico, the shamans, when they saw the spanish come in and they saw what they were doing, they said, wow, if we deserve this kind of enemy is because we are really strong. Mmm, you know it's all left, so just think of it like that way gratitude.

Speaker 1:

That's powerful in any situation, as you know, as I'm learning, and sometimes it is challenging. It's challenging to say, oh yeah, thank you, thank you for all of this stuff, this stuff, but when you do that, you know, when you're able to do that, I think that's so. It's so powerful. And we've kind of been saying the same thing throughout the conversation about the power of not just the gratitude but the acceptance. And once we accept okay, this is where I am most of us go okay, well then, what's next? What do we do next once we have accepted okay, this happened.

Speaker 3:

I think it's not only accept it, it's to own it. That's what it means being responsible. You know you own the situation. You're not like a collateral effect of the situation. I own it, I'm part of it, I'm creating it and I am the you know co-signer of this guy that is making my life impossible. So it's like you are the director of your movie and you're hiring people to be in your life. You know, like your life is like a movie and you have all these main characters and the people that are around it. You know, and if something is not going according to your script, you know your script could be an adventure or drama or a fun thing, but if you're not liking it, change it. That is prof.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that is so true. I can see Michael's face like yep, that is. If you don't like it, change it.

Speaker 3:

Change it. That's the it's not going. You know, I wanted to do an adventure. You know Harrison Ford movie and somehow I'm in the schindler's list wrong script, you know like, and then just detach a little bit and see what you're doing to shift it.

Speaker 2:

And the good thing is, when you do own it, then you get the information because you created it. You know as a spirit and subconsciously why you created it, and that puts you on the path of self-realization and understanding why you created that situation. I mean, that's the only way to get to it, right?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that situation, I mean, that's the only way to get to it. Yeah, I, I'm almost speechless, which is very rare for me. Go ahead.

Speaker 2:

Go ahead, michael, but to answer your question, we bring. We bring to people, I think, also is knowledge and tools, because our spirituality isn't about sitting in a chair meditating all the time to make things happen. We bring it, you know, through each level mental, emotional and physical, and where you even. Our meditation is an active self-observation meditation. That, uh, you know it's not just letting your thoughts wander or focusing on a mantra. You're actually doing things within yourself and our healing process is the same, um, and our math manifesting process, everything that we teach you put into action.

Speaker 3:

But you put all three.

Speaker 2:

I'm sorry. What did you say?

Speaker 3:

That is very practical. It's not just wait something to happen. It's happening.

Speaker 1:

That's so. It's very it's key to having sustainable change in life. You know and I'm saying this from like my corporate world and my performance coaching and you know there's something about sustainability. We can. You know you can go to, you can take a course, or you can go to a retreat and you can do something in the moment. Or you know, like in Vipassana, you sit there silent for 10 days, but then what do you do After you sat there for 10 days and you haven't spoken to anybody. Then what do you do with all of that?

Speaker 1:

I think it's really important for our listeners to hear that when you're doing that, that practicalness is there. It's not just you know you're going to sit in a circle or stand up in front of a room and say a lot of things, that you're on the court, having that change happen while you have your I'm going to say students. You know, because I think we're all students right if we're here to learn lessons you know You've got the students in front of you. It's important for them to feel those changes on the court in alignment with that. So that's. That is so, so wonderful that that's how you do the work, because I've experienced where you just sit there and somebody talks, and then you go home and you think you're gonna, you know, implement all these strategies and things you've learned and they all go out the window. You don't remember half of it, right? You know that's just the way the human brain works. But when you are in an immersive environment, you know, when you feel something, they go into your cells. I don't think you can forget those things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, our teaching basically is set up where we give you everything you need so you can walk away as soon as possible and be independent. I started teaching, uh, about 40 years ago yeah and um the I didn't want like an army of people hanging on to me, you know, or any of that, basically give them everything and then kick them out of the nest, and I mean they could always call for guidance or help or whatever. But basically we want people to be free and independent and totally themselves In all levels.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, handle any battle, handle anything good coming to them.

Speaker 1:

Uh, whatever's within them to heal it and how to heal it and how to get to that point on their own that's a that's a, that's a gift, because I remember when I was um in a program um and I had a coach and one of the things she said was the same things like I want. I'm here for you now, but my goal is that you don't need me.

Speaker 3:

Exactly.

Speaker 1:

That you know that when you're going through X, y, z, here's the toolbox open up the toolbox. The challenge is knowing to open up the toolbox. Cause that that that also also is is something that I've. I've watched clients forget to open the toolbox and I, you know it's like okay, so it's leading them back to the toolbox, like not the whole hand holding that you do usually in the beginning of a you know when you're starting out and letting them go, and then it's like parenting that's the only way I can say it.

Speaker 1:

You know, eventually you're like no, I don't have to do that for you anymore, you know what to do. And reminding, reminding our students and our clients that they they have a toolbox. Instead of like, you, stand by the toolbox, you look at it and you're like what is that thing?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, or the dependency to call. You know, not only the toolbox, but I let my teacher do it for me or I let my mentor do it for me, or I let you know. Just tell me what to do. You know, you were saying at the beginning that we're going back to spirituality and in a way that's true, but somehow all this marketing spirituality nowadays has transformed spirituality, um, and there's a lot of, a large percentage of dependency. You know, like all this quick, like everything today has to be like this. So just give me the solution now, just tell me what to do now.

Speaker 3:

And it's like, well, I cannot tell you, because this is your life, so you need to take the decisions, you need to meditate on it. You are the owner of this life. Again, you're free, so it's not in my path to make the decisions for you. That could be my. You know it's a weight for me. Yeah, my one eye. We give them all the tools to create the life that they want or they need. And if they hang around too much next to me, we are not doing our job right, because we don't want dependency, we want empowered, free people. And it's not about money, it's not about the ego. It's not, you know, because people keep clinging to their students and that's not right, and not only that you know.

Speaker 2:

Basically, spiritual level, we can't tell you anything you don't already know. So, whether we're doing a reading, psychic reading or for teaching a class, we're all connected. The knowledge is, is right there. It's like it's like the internet, but it's maybe I don't know you know they, they build computers after the human mind. That's how they, that's how they work, you know, and um, so everybody has their own answers within them, and that's the goal. Yeah, the priest, the government, uh, you know none of that it's like trust yourself, right trust yeah trust yourself and we just I think.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes I'm trying to think of a really nice way of saying this, but I'm not, I can't, there's no nice way you know, we get effed up by the people around us who have dealt with their own stuff and then that stuff sort of like not sort of it does permeate into your stuff and then you can't distinguish is that this person's or is this mine, or where is this coming from? And to really get connected to your intuition, I was just I just had a podcast recording with another wonderful person. We were talking about that connecting to the, what you said, which is the know thyself, know yourself, understand yourself. And to also know that when you're given the tools, you have what you need. There's no need for crutches, so to speak. You know we're just all guides.

Speaker 1:

We're just here to kind of create the space for you to see something that maybe you haven't been able to see, like blind spots. Once you uncover a blind spot, you can't unsee that anymore, right? That's when the reality, that's when your responsibility goes out the door.

Speaker 3:

If you're like I know that we went there before I think one of the first courses that we teach that is just called Meditation One. The thing that teaches you is to be neutral, and so one of the thing is to see for affinity programs or checking what is making your life go. You know, like, if I'm affected for everything you know, then I don't know what my own problems are, because the lighthouse fell on the beach and I believe it's my fault, and then I worried, you know, and then I don't know my worth, and then I am a victim, and then so okay, the light, the lighthouse fell, you were cooking in your house, so nothing to do with you. Go back to you. So that I think that's a way you know. If you start with the basics on just checking what's yours, what's not, not, what's acquired and what you can delete forever and what you can keep and improve, from then on you know the base is done for all the rest of the other courses. But that's needed.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, discernment, I think, is what I'm hearing. Yeah, yeah, discernment, I think is what I'm hearing.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I actually.

Speaker 1:

I have a column in the radio here and it's called Discernment Beautiful Because it does with all the noise, and it's not just the outside noise, it's noise in our heads, whatever we're saying to ourselves. I call the noise, I give it a name because it's just easy to then, like you said, detach right? So my noise is called elvira. When elvira shows up, you know there's she shows up, and then I have to be like okay yeah, to the corner lighter you don't get to roll the show, the corner lighter, you don't get to roll the show.

Speaker 1:

Once in a while time you were the boss, but you're not the boss anymore, and to discover that elvira existed first of all, was I, was the most important thing. Right, you know, because you think that's you, but it's not you. No, the you that you are is much more calm. That's that's all I can say from you. Know my own experience, that the I that I am is not elvira no I thought I was, and it's much happier.

Speaker 3:

You know if elvira is talking, who's listening, and that's you.

Speaker 1:

You're pointing to myself, I'm listening, and then everybody else gets to see Elvira and not Nina, because Elvira is running in the background and so it's like it's just, it's perfect. I love that, the way you create it, that you know you start from just discernment. Just look at what's yours and what's not. That's such an important skill for us to have, especially if we're running from being at the effect of, instead of being responsible, accountable and empowered. Responsible, accountable and empowered. So it's, it's wonderful. So I know we're going to kind of wrap up now. I know you both are going to be available on the miracles directory, but how can one connect with the two of you to to start that discernment process at least?

Speaker 3:

Well, I have a webpage. I don't know if that's what you need a webpage or the contact.

Speaker 1:

Yes, Whatever you would like to provide to the listeners so that they can get in touch with you.

Speaker 3:

Okay, I have a webpage that is called Anna Lally, like the name says here, anna Lally Munoz, because my last name is Munozcom and it's in English, spanish and Portuguese, because I teach in three languages. And also I have an Instagram that is called soyannalally. That's my Instagram.

Speaker 1:

Thank you what about for you. Michael.

Speaker 2:

I can be found on Facebook. Can they connect to us through the?

Speaker 1:

Miracles directory Absolutely, absolutely. They can connect to you. That would be the best, I think actually perfect perfect, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 1:

That's wonderful. I just want to say what a pleasant conversation this has been. It's made a huge difference for me, so I know it's going to make a huge difference for our listeners, thank you. Thank you, michael and anna, for what you do in the world. It makes a profound difference, so we can shift the narrative back to the eyes that we are. Does that make sense? Yes, completely. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much, until we meet again.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, nina, thank you much, until we meet again. Thank you, nina. Thank you, thank you, take care.

Speaker 1:

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