Healers Talk Healing Podcast
The Healers Talk Healing podcast invites you on a transformative journey towards holistic healing, where we explore the mind-body connection, natural remedies, and ancient wisdom to empower you to live a vibrant and balanced life. Join us as we share inspiring stories, expert interviews, and practical tips to help you unlock your true potential and embrace a happier, healthier you.
Healers Talk Healing Podcast
Exploring the Therapeutic Fusion of Ancient Wisdom and Modern Cannabis with Asr Eugene Rollins
Unlock the secrets of holistic healing as I, Nina Ganguli, sit down with the insightful Asr to explore the transformative power of cannabis paired with ancient practices. We've all experienced the burden of unprocessed emotions, perhaps not realizing how they can culminate in physical pain. Asr shares a riveting account of how energy healing released such emotions, leading to astonishing pain relief. Our dialogue traverses the healing landscapes fostered by cannabis constituents like CBD and therapeutic terpenes, revealing how these natural allies can nourish the body and soothe the mind. Join us for a discussion that will challenge your perceptions of illness and wellness, and could very well redefine your approach to healing.
Dive headfirst into the complex dance between cannabis and our bodies, with Asr's expert guidance illuminating the way. We examine why CBD isn't just a healing agent but a vital nutrient bolstering our endocannabinoid system, and how terpenes craft environments conducive to our body's self-repair. Asr and I untangle the nuances of THC's synergy with other natural remedies, and the pivotal role of personal sensitivity in cannabis consumption. Whether it's microdosing or understanding THC's different forms, this episode arms you with the insights needed to navigate the healing potential of cannabis responsibly and effectively.
In our final moments together, Asr and I underscore the critical importance of education in using cannabis as medicine, dissecting its minimal contraindications and its synergy with the body's own healing mechanisms. We confront historical skepticism towards natural remedies, underscoring the potent influence of belief in treatment outcomes. Our conversation serves as a clarion call for proactive self-education in personal health, urging listeners to adopt a discerning eye towards both pharmaceuticals and natural alternatives. With a tapestry of perspectives from acupressurists to yoga instructors, we invite you to enrich your healing journey by tuning into this episode, where the wisdom of holistic practices meets the modern science of cannabis.
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Welcome to Healer's Talk Healing, the podcast where we gather to explore the art and science of holistic healing, uncovering the secrets to a happier, healthier you. I'm your host, nina Ganguly, and together we will delve into the intriguing world of holistic healing, delving into the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom and natural remedies. Get ready for enlightening stories, thought-provoking expert interviews and practical tips that will empower you to unlock your true potential and embrace a vibrant, balanced life. Whether you're an experienced wellness enthusiast or simply curious about the power of healing, join us on this exhilarating journey as we share the wisdom and insights that can truly transform your life. It's time to embark on a voyage towards a happier, healthier you. So, without further ado, let's dive into the captivating world of Healer's Talk Healing. So let's just get started on this episode. I am so honored and we're so lucky to have Asar with us and Asar, you know, I always ask the very first question of all of our guests is what does healing mean to you?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much, Nina. And what healing means to me is it's a journey, okay, specifically because, you know, I had a conversation with somebody, maybe a couple of days ago, and we were talking about being healed, right, and we're talking about physical healing, and for me, it's not just physical healing, it's mental healing, spiritual healing. We are full beings. We have to heal in all these different areas and that's a constant journey in life.
Speaker 2:You know a lot of the ill are not necessarily the foods we put in our body, but the thoughts we think, the ways we feel about ourselves, the way we feel about our environments. So healing is about helping to correct and to get people on a path that feels they number one, feel good about, so they can begin to heal all the aspects of themselves, not just the physical cells.
Speaker 1:What a beautiful answer and I agree with you. So I agree it's definitely you know a multi pronged approach to healing and I love that you said you know there's it's you know can start with your thoughts. What's happening in here is a reflection of what's happening out here in the world and I totally get it because I just recently had an energy healing which I've never experienced before. So I was dealing with maybe a month or two ago I was dealing with a lot of back pain, hip pain, like a lot of like pretty.
Speaker 1:It felt intense where I was walking you know, I needed a cane to help me walk sometimes I couldn't walk very far and I went to the psychic fair and in the psychic fair I met somebody. I'm like this person must be just waiting for me because she's nobody sitting with her. And anyways, we had a session and in that session she said you know what? I see a lot of pain and unresolved or unprocessed emotion in your body and that's why it's hurting so much. And she did some work. And I know that some people would be like, oh, this is all woo woo crazy stuff, but I'm telling you no, because today I can sit in front of you.
Speaker 1:A month later I have no pain, or very little pain. So maybe I went from an eight or nine in pain to maybe I'm a, I don't know. I don't know, sorry, I'm at a one. So it's it's so incredible. And one of the things she said was all of it was, like I said, unresolved emotions, things that I actually thought I had processed. And so I think for our, for our listeners, I think it's important to understand that when we are in pain, when we're looking for healing, it just it's not just about releasing pain, it's also the work that has to get done and there's different ways and modalities of doing that, and so you know, for you you're working with CBD and and in that you know in that world, how does that help someone to heal?
Speaker 2:So the good part about what we're talking about is how how a plant can help the body do what it's already doing Right. So if we're staying on an epic, you know plants have a higher vibration. That's naturally. That's why they give off the bright green colors. That's why they're able to grow in nature. They give off this high vibrational energy, right, and that's translated into different compounds the actual plant makes up. So cannabis in general has about 120-some odd cannabinoids, which are all healing compounds.
Speaker 2:And on top of that numerous it's like a couple of thousand different terpenes, which are therapeutic compounds that are in the actual plant itself. On top of that, it's a highly researched plant but just there's a lot of nutritional value proteins, enzymes that you get from the plant. So just being able to ingest the plant going to help your body to raise its vibrations by taking those essential proteins, those those different medicinal compounds into the body for therapeutic purposes, reducing inflammation and things of that nature physically. But the thing that I really appreciate about the cannabis plant is that it helps to work on your mental state, like we were talking about before. It helps you to back and regulate your mental processes, your nervous system processes, and by able, by putting you in that state, allows you to be able to relax more, deal with traumas, like you were speaking with earlier. You know, a lot of times the the emotion precedes the illness.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So if you're in a situation where you're holding on to a lot of anger, I'll give you an example my, my, my partner, my lady, she, she just started doing like liver shots where she's actually helped to cleanse her liver, because she's dealing with anger and anger is one of those things that kind of gets held in the liver, right, I can?
Speaker 2:relate Yep, right. So being able to kind of work on releasing the anger right helps the condition that you're experiencing go away, right, because it's not no longer there being held space for I like to say it like the emotion is holding space for the illness. Wow, once you get rid of that emotion, then the illness doesn't really have a place to stay. The body wants to heal, right, the body wants to heal. So cannabis as a regulatory product, because it works on the endocannabinoid system, which is an internal system in our body which is a regular process.
Speaker 2:It attaches to cells, the cell receptors. So what? I'll get way too technical. On each cell in your body there's receptors. The cannabis receptors are called CV1 receptors and CV2 receptors. The molecules in the plant attach to these receptors and send signals to those cells that ask it are you doing the right thing? It regulates this cell doing what it's supposed to be doing. If it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing, then it regulates and tells the cell you need to do this and do that. If the cell cannot, then it self-destructs. So we go through the process of our bodies with cannabis being able to create the environment for the body to do what it already does, which is heal itself.
Speaker 1:This is fascinating to me because, I'm sure you know, cannabis doesn't have the best rap. It's getting much better than before. I'm in Canada Cannabis is not illegal here the consumption of the sale of any of that. You are not, however, in Canada, so it's not in the United States. I know it's not the same in every single state, and they've got all these different variables and variations. I have a question for you, though why does cannabis have such a bad rap? How have we gotten to where we are?
Speaker 2:Well, this is kind of a personal perspective.
Speaker 1:Of course, they want your personal perspective.
Speaker 2:So back when cannabis in the Americas was beginning to gain headway as far as medicinal use, have other industries out here. So our medical industry in America is primarily based in drug use, drugs that are provided by pharmaceutical companies and those pharmaceutical companies then supporting financially the medical industry in America. So I would come and tell those same people who are chemicalizing these plant materials and then turning them into drugs, and then that entire machine to give it to a doctor, for a doctor to tell you this is what you should be taking. And then I'd tell the same person oh, just go into your backyard, grow a plant, and then that plant is going to take care of all your medical needs, otherwise you'll be mad about that Just a few, somebodies.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit, because you're losing out on money, you losing out on money. Another thing is that one of the things that cannabis does and I'm going to advocate for cannabis but just like any substance, you have to use it responsibly, even though your use might not put you in the exact same place as maybe using alcohol is. But at the same time, it can and I'll just tell you from my own experience over you and create a significant amount of leftogy in your life. When your body is healing because that's what the cannabis plant does it causes a place for your body to heal. Your body don't want to do nothing, it want to sit still Right. For example, the place where your body does the most healing is when you're asleep. You're still Right.
Speaker 2:So when you're taking a product, a lot of people like man, I took this and I took that and it made me go to sleep. I was out for hours. That's because your body is like we need to heal. So we need to shut you down and stop using all these other processes so that we can more efficiently and effectively heal your body, cleanse your body and eliminate these toxins in your system. So if you don't properly overuse it, then and this is just a practical process it can lead to a significant amount of left.
Speaker 2:You probably won't have as much motivation because your body is just motivated to sit and recover, but as far as like the concept of the danger around it and things of that nature, that's really just kind of a fabricated process by you know, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical industry, they came out with propaganda films. It was a film called Refor Madness that most people are aware of, that said that cannabis causes psychosis and will make you want to kill the rest of your friends. That was like a real thing. Yeah, they was like a real thing that they put out propaganda wise in order to drive people off from the use of the product. It's such an easy plant to grow. That's why they have traditionally baulded weed, because it'll just grow wild.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that, while I learned something new today, it used to just grow on the sides of the roads in South America.
Speaker 2:Even up here in the North Americas, it used to just grow on the sides of the road and the natives, as well as the aboriginals, they would just use it in their medicines and nobody would think anything of it. Right? But as soon as people started having to compete with other industries, then, based upon the industry, the industry said, ok, we have to make this an illegal substance because it's technically a type of cure all and we have 17 medicines that we want to push this way and we can't compete. So we're just going to tell people this about it, because they couldn't make money off of it at the time and even now it's very difficult to make money the way that allows them to monopolize it, because it's such a, it's such a free growing plant, it's such a resilient plant. They can't strip it down and then give you that one thing and that that thing be what works for you. Just like I said, there's like 120 different types of cannibal noise, but the only thing the medical industry at now even though it's legal focuses on is the THC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's all I know about.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's because that's the, that's the particular molecule that's the most psychoactive in the actual plant. So they're like well, this activity is something that we don't want to experience, or we don't want people to experience, but they can't tell you medically why they don't want them to Tell us more about you know.
Speaker 1:Ok, so we all know I'm not.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:Not all of us know, but cannabis is known for the THC levels and, yes, altering states of you, know your, your state. So what should we know from the perspective of from the healing properties? Like I use CBD oil, I use definitely use it for when my knees and my joints are hurting. I have, no, I don't know why it works, but it does.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I will share this, though. I will share this just. You know full disclosure. If I add a little painkiller with it, it's like marvelous.
Speaker 1:It's like expands. For me, like when I have, let's say, I have an Advil Maybe I can't say I have a painkiller and then I add the CBD oil, I sleep well for sure, and I also wake up with a lot less inflammation when it's. So I think it's important for those who are listening to really understand aside from THC, which we know are is kind of mind altering what are the properties that help us to heal?
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to I'm actually start with THC. Get out the way first, because it's easiest. Once explained. All right, it also accepts the two for everything else. So THC actually mimics another molecule in the body. All right, have you ever heard the term that laughter is the best medicine?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So patch Adams kind of popularized this concept, because what he realized is that patients would heal better if they were in a good mood, right. So see, actually mimics the molecule in the body that's a pleasure, molecules called anandamide, right. So when it's attack receptors, it gives you the pleasurable feeling, it makes you feel good, as though you're in a good mood, right. So it puts the body in a state where it's like oh, I can relax, I can feel good, so let me start actually doing the things that I need to do. So that's the basic foundation of the concept with THC, why everybody use it and it's worked so well? Because it comes with something that makes the body feel good to begin the healing process.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:At. The major cannabinoid that everybody deals with is CBD, which is cannabinoid Right Now. Cannabinoid there's misconceptions about it, but primarily it's like a nutrient, is something that your takes, it builds a certain amount of, because it's something that our body needs, right, and once it builds up a certain amount of it, then the endocannabinoid system can be more efficient at what it does. That's why they say CBD reduces inflammation. No, cme stimulates and gives a what's the word I'm looking for. It creates, it strengthens your endocannabinoid system so they can do what it already does, which is reduce inflammation, regulate the body, make sure the body is doing what it's supposed to be doing, so it's actually helping the body heal itself. It's not the catalyst for the healing, it just creates the environment for the healing to take place.
Speaker 2:Outside of that, what really does most of the healing in the body? Of the therapeutic terpenes Okay, things like a linen all and lavender and beta caraphylene and these particular terpenes which are found in other healing medicinal herbs, right. So I like to tell people all the time they think that the TAC is what gets, only thing that makes you feel good in the process of actually, you know, using the product. But I also ask people like spicy foods. Have you ever eaten something so spicy? You felt like you were high.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say no, but I definitely had burning years. Okay, I guess it hasn't been spicy enough.
Speaker 2:If you, if there's a. There's a show out not to give anybody a shout out, but there's a show online that's called hot ones, where people eat a bunch of hot wings and ask questions, and if you watch that show, you'll see people eat these hot wings and then losing themselves a little bit, and that's because of the terpened beta caraphylene. You can find it in hot peppers. You can find the most spicy foods, right, and what that does is it opens up the capillaries, helps the body to actually eliminate certain toxins right, but also gives you a bit of a head change as well, right? Okay, so therapeutic terpenes are the same things that healers have used for the ions right, the ions you from the earth to be able to help the body to, to heal, if not to add a little bit of that vibrational element in order for the body to do what it does already. So my thing and what I'm really big on are the terpene elements, that the elements in the cannabis that are already very potent, and the cool part about cannabis is that they're very highly alkaloid, your alkaloid elements. So they're very, very potent in the actual product.
Speaker 2:And, to address what you said earlier, when you use the product and you take another product and this is kind of like I won't say a trade secret, but the THC makes everything like hospital grade because it creates the environment for the body to heal, right.
Speaker 2:So if you were in the, let's say, you were taking echinacea, right. Are you familiar with that? Yes, so you're taking it because you want to regulate viral growth or bacterial growth in your body. With the addition of the cannabis, the body is also going to be in a relaxed state so that echinacea can do what it does and reduce that microbiology growth overgrowth right, in the same way that a suppressant would, that you would get from a pharmaceutical company, right? So instead of suppressing the immune system right, or suppressing the body functions, with the, with the drug, you actually amplify the parts of the body that are actually going to help heal the body with the cannabis product, and that's the reason why I believe number one personally. That's the reason why I believe it's effective. And then studies are beginning to show that this is the actual process.
Speaker 1:Thank gosh. There's studies, because I think that's, you know, it's important and what I've learned in this last probably six months of doing a lot of these, a lot of these, a lot of the podcast that you know we're using some sort of substance to help heal is that there's not enough scientific studies or studies done to prove the advantages of natural products and as from my understanding, I mean the pharmaceutical industry. I'm not trying to bash the pharmaceutical industry, because there are uses that we need to use sometimes for that, but but you know, I think, like when you were saying, when there's an agenda, the agenda and the money goes into where, where, where, where the money's going to be made.
Speaker 1:And I was just reading from the medical medium have you heard of the medical medium?
Speaker 2:I have it. I have, if I have, it's been through here.
Speaker 1:So there's a medical medium whose name I can't remember, but I'm reading Right. What's his name? It's right here. Actually his name is Anthony Williams. I have the book right here. So Anthony Williams is a medical medium and he basically uses, he connects to spirit and then provides, you know, and provides medical, I guess, advice through through his connection, through through spirit.
Speaker 1:And the people are going to be like what is this show? What is happening right now? We're science to spirit. What he was saying is the same thing you were saying. It's like the propaganda, the, where the money is going to be made, that's where the research money is going to go. So there's not enough. You just said it yourself. There's not right now enough money in cannabis for, you know, the government or anyone to put money towards it. So I'm sure a lot of it is private funding to do the scientific studies that are required. And I'm finding this conversation so fascinating because, you know, of course I have, I've smoked, for sure, but most of the time I haven't had a pleasurable experience, so I don't know what it is. So you know, I've determined that I'm not going to do that anymore. It doesn't work for me. I don't have any problem with the CBD oils or using those kind of products for therapeutic purposes. And it's funny because, yeah, this is going to be a personal question, but why do I have those weird experiences?
Speaker 2:So the first reason why you're probably having those weird experiences do you smoke regularly at anything else? Okay, so smoke is not good for the body. As a cannabis professional, I'm not an advocate of smoking. Smoke in general causes inflammation in the body. It causes inflammation in every area of the body. When you inhale that smoke, it's going into your lungs, that toxic substance, as far as the burned product is going into every vein, right. So that causes inflammation. That's not really what you want. All right, I am an advocate of using it topically. I'm an advocate of ingesting it the way we use every other medicine. The only time I would advocate smoking is an emergency situation. Okay, if your situation, your pain, is at a 10, you need to hold over to get other treatment right. If you don't have access to another treatment at the time, you don't have access to a high-quality product to be able to ingest and get the same product, or you don't have a good routine, okay, because you need a routine when using a medicine, just like anything else.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So, number one, why you're having the issues is because of the smoking. Number two, because, contrary to popular belief, even though we talk about TAC, is this one thing? Tac has a number of different states. There's a number of different molecules that have the TAC connected to it, and one of the major, what we talk about, is delta 9 TAC. Whenever you smoke cannabis, the TAC molecule goes from a TAC A, which is non-psychoactive, by the way, tac acid, which is non-psychoactive, is still healing right, and then, when you burn it, the carbon molecule comes off and turns into TAC, delta 9. Delta 9 is a really I don't think my body likes that very much.
Speaker 2:It's a really big molecule, right, it's such a big molecule. It kind of it's probably coming on too quick. It gets to the cells too fast, right, and so the slow head change that most people need for therapy, right, not too quick. That means your body is always trying to fight that feeling. It's like oh, this is a natural amount of happy that I'm getting, this is a natural amount of whatever this tingly feeling or sensation is, and so it's like this comfortable experience which matches with how you feel and how you're thinking about what's happening, so your body can't really relax. I always recommend finding a great way to take the product orally and start very low and slow. As an educator because I'm a cannabis educator- what.
Speaker 2:I help people understand is that most people smoke. They get about a gram or half of flour right. They roll that in little joint, then they smoke that all together, right. And what I try to help people understand is that little bit of flour right, there is about a thousand milligrams of TAC. A thousand milligrams is about a thousand times more than you need to feel the product and get a good experience right.
Speaker 2:That's why most times, if you go into any dispensary or if you're dealing with any product, the basic dosage is about 10 milligrams 10. So we're just overdosing ourselves primarily. We're overdosing ourselves primarily. If you're inhaling it, you're getting about 30% of the medicine that you're inhaling and even in that sense you're probably getting every inhale about 10 to 15 milligrams to circulate throughout your body and then that's competing with the smoke and the inflammation right. So you got a lot of stuff going on and you probably don't need that. So what I recommend is getting in a good form to where you can take it and take it in small measurements.
Speaker 2:Microdosing is a great thing for most people who have conditions, ongoing conditions. Microdosing helps to create an environment in your body where you're not able to not function right, but it also creates a sense of continuous ease. The experience is longer lasting Smoking it is about two hours, ingesting it is about eight hours and, depending upon what's actually prevalent in the cannabis that you're using, it can last longer, be more therapeutic, be more stimulating, be more relaxing, and there's a lot of elements to it for someone who needs that's educated in it to be able to help you understand it so that you can take it in a proper way, to be able to use it in an effective manner for yourself.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, thank you for that, because you know I'm sitting here, you know I can sit with a bunch of people and I'm the only one. That's like having a total meltdown while everybody else is calm and I'm thinking, yeah, I'm not going to do this anymore, because I'm not enjoying this. It's not enjoyable at all.
Speaker 1:And I know that's for recreational purposes, not for healing at all. But what I wanted to share it is because I was confused and I really was like why does my friend who's sitting beside me? She's doing the same thing I'm doing, but she's all calm and giddy and I'm like no, like, get me the heck out of here. I'm paranoid.
Speaker 2:I'm crazy.
Speaker 1:And part of what I heard you say, though, was it's whatever's already going on in here. There's a correlation to it, because I've had some good experiences. I'm not going to say every experience I've had is terrible, but more than not, my experiences have not been pleasurable, even with an edible. Now I might have had too much, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't get these, so I'm just going to say I'll never get the stuff. Somebody else gets it. So I have no idea what's going on and I'm not educated. So this is fascinating, because I think it's important for people to understand that general knowledge of cannabis is about something recreational, not the medicinal purposes, and I think people might shy away from the medicinal purposes because they're only thinking about oh, this is what it does. And these are all the negative aspects, because we don't know what we're doing. Basically is what I'm actually understanding from speaking with you we have no clue what we're doing.
Speaker 2:Not at all, and then I wanted to address that too, because the thing that we have to understand about ourselves is that everybody has a different body chemistry. The state that your body is in determines how the product is going to react to you. So let's say and this is not a knock at anybody all of us are probably in the same boat. Why? Because we have toxins in the air, we've got toxins in the water, we have toxins in the products that we use. We eat a bunch of food that's sick. So when the body is going through a regulation process and your body is full of toxins, then your body might be like, oh, we got to get this stuff out of here. It's a high priority. So then you're feeling your body go through a detox process and that might be uncomfortable for you. It might be like, oh, I don't need to do this.
Speaker 2:Another thing is that I like to point out. I just talked about my lady. She's extraordinarily sensitive to everything and anything. It doesn't matter what the substance is. If you give her a little bit of it and we're talking about regular herbs, we talk about Dr Pharmaceuticals she's just tremendously sensitive. She usually takes about a half of those for certain things in order to be able to feel it in the way that we feel it. So her focus of cannabis is, I said, about 10 milligrams. I don't even mess with it. I give her a one milligram, okay, one milligram, and that's enough to affect her in the same way that 75 milligrams affects me, wow, okay. So it's a very significant range of how the product will affect you, based upon your sensitivity, based upon the level of buildup of toxins in your system, how the body is actually releasing the damage that's happening in your body and what actually has to happen. So that's why it's good to go through it with somebody who knows what they're talking about.
Speaker 2:To give you the starting point, right, because everybody should start off at about a half dose, which is 0.5. Sometimes 0.5 is too much. Still right. And the most of the people, just like you said, most people tell me that their issue is with edibles. They can't take edibles because edibles put some under the couch. They can't even get out the bed for hours, you know, and that's because, again, we were talking about this product. When you ingest it, you don't get Delta 9 THC, you get Delta 11 THC and that's about 10 times smaller than the Delta 9 molecule. So the actual THC gets not just on the outside of your cells but it gets on the inside of your cells and I think there's about five to 10 times more receptors on the inside of your cells than outside of your cells. So it's full permeation. You get that full body high. You can't move your body. You know what I mean If you don't regulate that?
Speaker 1:What do you mean it?
Speaker 2:could be a bad day. You might not be able to go to work, you might not be able to get things done. You needed to get done. So having a understanding of how to take it, how to regulate it, what doses to take, that's a very big thing. A lot of States in the West right Like the state I'm living in, arizona.
Speaker 2:They were really big medically. At first. It was one of the best medical products because all of the people who were using were patients. Then they legal medically. When they made it legal medically, that's when the system was starting to try to correct itself and put itself in a position to understand things. That's when I got involved in the industry and as soon as the medical process came through and the state learned how much money they would make, they pushed recreational through and all of the medical concepts went out the window and all the patients just got left in the dust, all right. So it's just one of those things we were talking about before. It doesn't mean that the industry is bad. It's that there are people in the industry who are trying to make money and that's their primary motivation.
Speaker 2:Most of the people who are trying are the financiers. They're the ones that are making the process grow, the scientists who are doing the tests. They need money to do the tests right. If they like, hey, we would have do a test on cannabis that helps to prove that cannabis can do this and this and this in the body, or cure this or heal that right. Then you got to go to somebody that says are you gonna fund this testing? And if it's a pharmaceutical company and their primary product is cancer treatment, or I mean lymphoma treatment or MS treatment, then if they're not about to invest into creating a product to then disrupt the rest of the products they have out, they're not gonna fund that right. But if they wanna do a test to see if cannabis can support one of their products, right, Then they'll fund that right. So that funding is the biggest issue.
Speaker 2:When we're talking about a product that is under studied in the Western medicinal process because that's not true in the Eastern it's medical practice You're talking about herbal healing. If you're talking about native cultures who have hundreds of thousands of years of using the product, right, that's what I tell you the safest things that you could possibly use, right. But they'll also tell you that if you're gonna use it, you need to use it this way. If you're gonna use it, you have to use it this way. You wanna combine these things? You see what I'm saying and just it this way.
Speaker 2:Most people who use it, especially the natural healers that I know they're all advocates of not actually smoking it because they're healers. They're like no, don't smoke anything, it's not good for your body. But just because of the way that it is perceived here, right, couched here, because I like to use this analogy right, you know what's legal? It's been legal for a very long time Smoking tobacco, right? Smoking tobacco became popular because they had political lobbyists that were able to go to companies, manufacturers, senators and then have conversations to change their perspectives about what tobacco does, how tobacco helps us as a country, helps people. Now, regardless of how many lies were told about it, right Now we have an industry that protects it.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying. Because there are people making money. Now there's a separate industry. Why? Because tobacco is not a health product, it's simply a recreational product, which is what they want cannabis to be. They want it to be a recreational product because when it's a health product, you're disrupting an ender. I mean an industry, right. That's just like if you came out with fusion, right, you came out in the energy industry. If you came out with fusion, it was clean fusion tomorrow. Right, all of the oil companies. They would be like just crush that, get that out of here.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's so true, you know. Join the Miracles Directory, where healers connect and wellness begins. Join a community of trusted holistic professionals, or find your path to healing and peace. Visit themiraclesdirectorycom. Start your journey today. We have to look at there's a bigger picture of our lack of understanding and I think you know I'm so happy that we are having this conversation so people begin to realize in what I'm hearing is like when you work with something like cannabis or any sort of herbal remedy, you need to be working with someone who knows what they're doing Right. So it's like working with a naturopath who's gonna help you with certain, or somebody who does Ayurveda or whatever they're doing. From that perspective, it's like you can't just like figure it out. Well, I guess you could figure it out by yourself over time, but why, if there's somebody who's available to kind of guide you along the path Like you don't do ayahuasca by yourself, you need somebody to help you along the path.
Speaker 2:That's some like serious stuff, right?
Speaker 1:So how did you get into this world to begin with?
Speaker 2:So the simple answer is that I wanted to help my family Right. The first person I ever saw use the product was my cousin. I was probably 12 when I saw him using and he was tremendously depressed as an individual, Just as a person. He didn't see a lot of positivity in his life and things of that nature, so he was using it to cope right. The next person in my life was my brother. My brother was using it and he was using it to deal with that going on in his head.
Speaker 2:He had a lot of undiagnosed psychological challenges and just being in America, and being a minority, there's a lot of stresses that go along with living in the country, and so it was one of the coping mechanisms and I used to be the absolute anti-drug person. I was like drugs are bad. Okay, you shouldn't be trying to take any of this stuff. This is gonna be bad for you. And then I had to start having real conversations with them about this, and what they started having asking me is all right. Well, put it on. What they started having asking me is all right. Well, prove it. Prove to me that this product is bad, right? So at 14, 15, I started doing the research on cannabis to prove that this was bad for you, and the more research I did, the more I found out. Oh, it's not that bad, it's actually really good, you know. So that became.
Speaker 2:That started my advocacy process, but I didn't actually get into it as a profession until my grandmother got sick. She got sick with a rare blood cancer and when she got sick with this rare blood cancer, I suggested to my family that they use cannabis therapy. A long story short, we did use cannabis therapy for a certain amount of time, which helped her get a lot of her appetite back and help her, you know transition this cancerous process into a state of wellness. Now we're all responsible for our actions and how we live after health. Right, but it was enough to say, okay, this is not a joke anymore. Nobody knows what's going on out here. So let me go and become the guinea pig myself. Right, figure out what it is, do the actual research.
Speaker 2:I started doing research. I went to school here in Arizona the place called Urban Risings to get a better understanding of cannabis from people who had been doing it for years. And once I started realizing all this cool stuff, I was like man, let me get into the industry. So I started working in dispensaries as a certified cannabis care professional. I had all these different, the serious resume of education. I get into the process, I'm a blood tender and I realized that I am the most educated person. In every dispensary I go to, I'm the only person who knows?
Speaker 2:anything, and I'm talking about from top to bottom. You're talking about the people who own it, the people who grow, people who actually sell it, the blood tender's at the dispensary. Nobody knows anything about the product, right? People will come in and be like, hey, I got this, I got this, what can you give me? And the person at the counter is like, well, I smoke this, this, this, this gets me high. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And people would have people who needed relaxation and anti-information right, they would be giving people stimulants and so they would their body, because it's a regulation process. Like I said, stimulants cause your body to focus on what's happening, right, so if you've got pain in your knees, pain in your back, you don't need a stimulant, right? And they would be giving people this and they pain would increase because their mind is then focused towards these pains. And I would see this happen on a regular basis with a number of different things. And I realized, look, there needs to be, there needs to be somebody out here who's educating people so people can have the best experience of this medicine now that it's available, because it's one of the best medicines out there. If you're already taking medicine and stuff like that. This is going to help you deal with the other medicine that you take, if you take it properly, because there's no contraindications with this product. There's very few contraindications with this product, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, contraindication means that there's no negative reactions with any other substances that you may be taking along with cannabis, right? So that was the thing that made me really get into it to say, hey look, I need to start doing something to help people understand what's happening, and that's taken me not only in the candidates for the other products and herbs that might not be touched by the medical industry. Because you know medically, then what I've understood is because it's an industry, it does help, right? Just like I was talking about, smoking helps when it's an emergency situation. You break your leg. You got to go to the hospital, all right. You got to get somebody to do a surgery on you to get your leg back in place, and they're going to give you drugs in order to make sure that you're not in pain the whole time. But if they were to use our product in tandem, it would still help, right? Not like the medical industry.
Speaker 2:Western Medical is all bad, I won't say that, but because it is supported by individuals who are not interested in health. Okay, they're in the money, right? The good people in the profession are usually have their hands tied. The doctors usually do a whole lot. Why? Because I could recommend something else, but there's really not anything else to recommend, and if I recommend you this, I'm going to get a bonus. So that process is the one that we have to begin to, as humans realize, all right, what is good for me, right? So I wanted to create a program that helped people understand what's good for me. That's why my company is called GANJA Guided, so you can find the proper way to use this medicine right, trying the proper way to go on your journey with cannabis, so that you can have a pleasant experience and get the relief that you need. You know what I mean, because I never tout cannabis as something that's going to cure anything. Right, but it will create the environment in your body for anything to be cured.
Speaker 1:I love that it creates. The environment and I think it's important for us to hear that, even for our listeners is what's the environment that you're creating for this healing journey? What's the process? You know, as a healer myself, I'm dealing with that on a regular basis and it's constantly changing into ebbs and flows. It's not the same thing that's gonna work every time. But what is the environment? What are the structures? That's like word I like to put into place. What's the structures you're putting into place to help sustain the healing that you achieve over time?
Speaker 1:I think that's the most important thing. We miss that, Like pharmaceuticals are not there to help you sustain anything over time, like not to heal, it really just subsides your symptoms and I'm learning that through my own understanding as well. So I'm glad that you brought it up and, like both of us are saying, we're not saying don't take the pharmaceuticals if you need to take them in the event of there's no other option at this point. First of all, educate yourself. Educate yourself on the pharmaceuticals, educate yourself even on the natural remedies that they're out there. But just remember this I'm gonna say this because I think it's important is what you said Information on natural remedies have been out there for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And, yes, there's a resurgent right now because there's a shift in the way humanity is thinking about self-care and caring for the environment and the earth. But educate yourself, don't just take anybody's word for it, right?
Speaker 1:It's so important.
Speaker 2:Right, have you heard the term snake oil salesman? Yeah, so snake oil salesman kind of ruined it for all of the natural paths, right, because they would set themselves up like they were an expert and sell you nothing. Right, and that was going on for a long time in early Western you know what I mean. Especially out here, they were selling whatever they could. So having a version to maybe going to someone who's a shaman or someone who's a natural hero, a natural apothecary Because apothecaries have been around forever, okay, and so they have an aversion to that because they think all of them are snake oil salesman, right, and the thing I try to help people understand is the same concept, right? So in the pharmaceutical industry, I think about 80% of the products work with the same efficacy as the placebo. Okay, studies they already say this, that they work with the same.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter what they're taking, right? Whatever you're creating, the placebo is usually about 80 as effective as 80% of the pharmaceuticals that are on the market. So if you can be convinced that something is doing good, something is gonna be do for you, you're probably, it's probably gonna create the environment in your body for something good to happen, right? So they already know this. The difference is, though whenever you take these herbs right, there's very little to any residual toxicity. When you take pharmaceuticals, there's a significant amount of residual toxicity. That's why, when they promote the drugs on television, they say are you experiencing this? Is this happening to you? Take this drug, this'll go great. And then, at the end, they're like they call it blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:It's so scary I'm like why would I take that?
Speaker 2:Right, because the toxins that are released in the body after taking the pill a lot of times create more issues than the problem that's happening. Right, because there's again it has to do with the environment in your body, so our ability to be able to kind of get over that now that we've had this big scare.
Speaker 2:Right, we had the COVID process that a lot of people have lost faith in the medical industry based upon the way that the medical industry reacted to the COVID process. Right, they were like, oh my God, we don't know what to do. Here's some experimental medicine, you should all trust it. We've never tested it, but you should trust it, right. But at the same time they'll say, oh well, cannabis is illegal, it's not nobody tested, you shouldn't ever do this. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So there are people who are able to watch that dichotomy and say, oh, maybe I should make my own decisions about my health problems, maybe I should do my own research about my health journey and then find people who understand it and come up with the best process for me. And I think that's the best place that we've been as a nation I'm just talking about the Western as far as because I'm in America, right, but I think around the world, because it was impacted worldwide. People are having that conversation with themselves and each other, just thinking about the fact that I shouldn't just take it because they tell me I should go and do research and see what else is gonna help me, if this is really gonna be the best option. Right, not to directly reject, flat reject everything, but just have a critical, analytical understanding of how you're going to approach your health, because you only have one body. My dad says all the time your body is your most important piece of real estate.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Well, yeah, I'm talking about the. What's the point?
Speaker 2:Right. So you should have just as much understanding, because I think there's another brother that I follow online. His name is Yaqui. He says you should have just as much understanding about your body as you do about your favorite item, your favorite material. So if you love cars, then you could tell me what type of carburetor you got, what type of engine you have, all the different parts on it.
Speaker 2:If you can't tell me five different organs in the body, five bones in the body, how those things happened, then you're probably not educated enough to get any sort of healing. You know what I mean. So you need to educate yourself on your actual vehicle, what's going on with your body, so you can understand when something happens. If somebody else outside of you is saying you should do this, you should be able to check that. You should be able to go and research and see. Okay, well, I know you're telling me to do this, but I'm still going to do this here because I think this is better for me. Somebody else that might be good for it, but I know this is better for me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's great. You have your company that helps educate people and do you, like you, do the education? Do you also work one-on-one with people?
Speaker 2:Yes, so my company is a membership program. You are already engaging out here because I'm usually just dealing with people in Arizona primarily. I'm a small business, so I'm dealing primarily in Arizona and because I'm a small business and I'm my primary employee, I have to interface with people and, honestly, I love that part of my job. I love being able to talk to people about their experiences and people who are looking for relief and helping them find the methodology to go from I had a terrible cannabis experience to now I'm able to use it on a regular basis and cannabis has changed my life. And you know I'm not because my thing is I don't want you to use cannabis for the rest of your life. I want you to use cannabis as long as in order to feel good about yourself and then go about living your life and get the strength in your body that you need in order to survive regularly. Why? Because, again, I'm not like I don't need you to take the cannabis in order for me to survive. I just feel better. You feeling better is what works for me, right? So I definitely work one-on-one. I do. We do trauma healing sessions. We don't just do work with cannabis. We work with cannabis. We work with another, a number of other medicinal products, but what I really work on is helping people understand the mental state you need to be in in order to be able to create the healing environment in your body. Right, I've done some research. I don't know if you've heard of a gentleman by the name of Joe Dispenza. Have you heard of Joe Dispenza before? Of course, yes, all right. Well, joe Dispenza is proving right now he's doing the research to prove right now that your mental state, the vibrational pattern of your brain, is what heals you. Okay, so if you can figure out a way to increase your vibrational level, decrease the brain activity as far as the extra thoughts are going on to get into a particular vibrational pattern, the body automatically heals itself. Doesn't matter what's going on. Body automatically creates an environment to heal itself and usually it's rapid, spontaneous remissions, which is his particular area of expertise. So a part of what I do is to help them understand that, even though you're taking cannabis, cannabis is releasing that anandamine, that THC which is mimicking anandamine, which is a pleasure molecule. That pleasure molecule is helping your body to get into that wave pattern so that all the rest of the medicinal herbs or the medicinal compounds in the body can then help your body to heal itself. So that's primarily what I help people do.
Speaker 2:We got a lot. I actually have a. I partnered with a number of different businesses. I partnered with this other business called Healing Hands Oasis Healing Hands Oasis. A number of different modalities. I work with acupressurists, I work with acupuncturists. I work with Reiki practitioners. I myself am a Reiki master. I don't like practicing on people, but I'm a Reiki master.
Speaker 1:It's phenomenal, in case you ever want to practice on others.
Speaker 2:Because my partner we're business partners my lady, she's a Reiki practitioner, stress therapist, physical therapist.
Speaker 2:And I help her, right, I practice on her. Why? Because I understand her chamelec processes. I don't want to take on extras, she does. I don't want to take on extras and that's how I cycle. But I like to partner with these different modalities because, as a apothecary because that's how I see myself I see myself as apothecary right, but that has a specialty in cannabis right, but I'm still. I'm a certified level one herbalist right, I'm still working on the rest of my certifications, but the goal is to create medicines that incorporate all the herbs that we have of use, right, In order for them to then be taken alongside the rest of these healing modalities.
Speaker 2:I love one of the people I love most. The best healing modalities are yoga instructors. Yoga instructors are my favorite people, okay, why? Because they're helping to move the body, they're helping you to master your body and as you get that movement, that mastery, if you're using my products, that means the blood is flowing and the herbs are going and you're gonna get the best experience as you can, right. So that's the reason why I started the program to create the opportunity for people to interface better with it, have a better understanding and not just my patients, but also the healing practitioners Cause right now, a lot of my patients are also other healing practitioners right, Cause they right.
Speaker 2:And especially in Arizona, because my services are just, I go and I talk to you about it, I give you information, right, you might not turn around and take the product. You might turn around and say, okay, well, as I'm doing my healing modality and you're already a user, you need to use this, and here's why. Right, so it helps them do what they're doing better, cause, everybody in Arizona is already using this recreational, everybody and their mama can get it, so it's not a problem. But if you're getting stuff and you don't know what you're doing with it you're going to get, you might be hurting yourself more than you're helping yourself. You know what I mean. Just as far as getting the best experience you might go, and again they'd be like oh yeah, well, go smoke some weed. And you'll go get a joint and smoke it and then that'll be the last time you ever use weed because you had a terrible experience.
Speaker 1:No, I do. I actually do know what you mean.
Speaker 2:So back to the pharmaceutical experience and now you're fighting off toxins instead of your physical feelings and I'd rather, just, you know, get that process again. I don't know if I answered your question. I can kind of ramble out.
Speaker 1:You answered my question wonderfully. I just you know, for the people who are listening in, aside from hopping onto the Miracles directory and finding you, how can we, how can people find you and get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:So I am available on Instagram. That's probably the place that people contact me most, also have a website, but my website is myganjaguide. Myganjaguide. My business is ganja guided. My Instagram is at ganja guided. Right, I'm the guy with the dragonfly on his finger. Anytime you want to contact me, I do consultation, it doesn't matter where you are in the country, and then you can pay me through PayPal. It's super simple, super easy. I do group sessions out here.
Speaker 2:We usually do like five to 10 people at a time and we do parties right, where everybody brings their own product right. And then from there we dose right. We do a particular level of dose, which is a low or mid half dose. If it works for you, fantastic. If it doesn't work for you meaning that if you didn't feel what you needed to feel or you felt too much, we adjust your dose and then we wait till the next day Okay, because it's an eight hour experience, we ain't got time to do everything at once. We wait till the next day, next opportunity, and then we try that dose and to find your dose. Once we get your dose, then you can go from there and have educational package to walk you through every step.
Speaker 1:I love that. First of all, this has been such an informative conversation. I learned so much. So for those, I'm hoping all the you know we have a gazillion listeners listen in and understand the power of the cannabis plant. And also not just the power of the cannabis plant but the whole, the whole thing. I'm at loss of words of what like just to understand fully. Like it starts, it's a mind, body, soul, experience.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:It's not just a role, that it's not just a joint that you smoke because for whatever you feel you need to do it. It's much, much more and it's a much more spiritual experience. So thank you so much for taking it.
Speaker 2:Bye, bye. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1:This was a wonderful conversation, so for those of you who are interested in what Asar is doing, make sure you follow him on Instagram. Check out his website and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, pleasure. Thank you so much. I appreciate you, nina. We'll see you later.
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