Healers Talk Healing Podcast
The Healers Talk Healing podcast invites you on a transformative journey towards holistic healing, where we explore the mind-body connection, natural remedies, and ancient wisdom to empower you to live a vibrant and balanced life. Join us as we share inspiring stories, expert interviews, and practical tips to help you unlock your true potential and embrace a happier, healthier you.
Healers Talk Healing Podcast
Navigating Life's Healing Journey with Chris Pizzarello
Join us as we unravel the tapestry of holistic healing with Chris Pizzarello, a former man of science who now sails the seas of emotional wellness with therapies like EFT, hypnotherapy, and NLP. Our riveting conversation peels back the layers of what it means to truly heal, showcasing Chris's journey from clinical precision to the soulful art of aligning the triad of body, mind, and soul. His integrated approach weaves together various modalities, promising a transformative experience that could very well shift your own life towards joy and empowerment.
Ever noticed how stress can turn a bright student's prospects grey? We tackle this head-on, discussing how mindfulness and tapping can color their world with calmness and confidence. Chris and I share stories that will touch your heart, illustrating the striking difference these practices make in children's emotional resilience and academic success. It's a profound segment that might just inspire you to consider the lasting impact of addressing our deep-seated subconscious patterns, not just for ourselves but for generations to come.
Our final chapter is a testament to the boundless nature of personal growth. Through the lens of a tale as old as time, one woman's conquest over her canine fears, we explore the journey to rewriting our inner narratives. Chris and I dissect the process of healing past traumas to savor the present fully, a conversation that could be the key to unlocking your true potential. And if your curiosity is piqued, we leave you with the ways to reach Chris, because who knows? This might be the stepping stone to aligning with the higher self you've been yearning to meet.
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Welcome to Healer's Talk Healing, the podcast where we gather to explore the art and science of holistic healing, uncovering the secrets to a happier, healthier you. I'm your host, nina Ganguly, and together we will delve into the intriguing world of holistic healing, delving into the mind-body connection, ancient wisdom and natural remedies. Get ready for enlightening stories, thought-provoking expert interviews and practical tips that will empower you to unlock your true potential and embrace a vibrant, balanced life. Whether you're an experienced wellness enthusiast or simply curious about the power of healing, join us on this exhilarating journey as we share the wisdom and insights that can truly transform your life. It's time to embark on a voyage towards a happier, healthier you. So, without further ado, let's dive into the captivating world of Healer's Talk Healing. On this episode, I speak with Chris Pizzarello.
Speaker 1:Chris is a dedicated healer with a rich background in the sciences and a profound journey into holistic healing. With a solid foundation in biology and chemistry from Hunter College, cuny, and extensive studies in mathematics, physics, psychology and philosophy, chris's academic journey set the stage for his remarkable career. Originally a clinical laboratory scientist with over two decades of experience, chris's path took a transformative turn when he discovered the limitations of traditional health metrics in capturing the essence of human well-being. Driven by a passion to foster deep healing, chris embraced the emotional freedom technique, otherwise known as EFT, a decision that not only revolutionized his approach to wellness, but also his own life. His exploration into healing modalities didn't stop there. Chris furthered his expertise by studying hypnotherapy at the esteemed Hypnosis Motivation Institute, earning recognition as a certified hypnotherapist and securing membership in the American Hypnosis Association, with additional certifications as an advanced master practitioner in NLP or Neuro-Linguistic Programming, and a certified master trainer in pain control. Chris utilizes a complete mind therapy approach, combining EFT, hypnotherapy and NLP, to guide his clients towards a more empowered and joyful existence.
Speaker 1:Join us as Chris shares his insights from his journey of healing and transformation, offering invaluable wisdom for both healers and those seeking healing. Oh wow, I'm so excited. I am super, super stoked to have this conversation with Chris Pizzarello. I'm looking at your name, otherwise I would have never been able to say it off the top of my head. You said it perfectly Well, thank you. I see pizza in there, so I'm like I think I'm hungry now.
Speaker 2:A lot of people say that. I teach people how to spell my name.
Speaker 1:It's like you spell pizza and then.
Speaker 2:R-E-L-L-O. So it's kind of in everybody's chakles Pizza. And then some people, what they do is they put P-R-E-L-L-O. It's like what?
Speaker 1:happened to the pizza. Trust me, I know my last name is a Juicy for some people too, but you know I just for the listeners. We've already started conversation. Everybody knows I do this. I always do a preamble before I hit record and it's been so wonderful and I'm excited for the listeners to kind of step into what we've created so far. And of course, I always ask every guest what is your definition of healing?
Speaker 2:Well, healing is an internal thing and there's different levels of it, but really healing for me is your connection with not only your body and your mind, but your higher soul. When you put yourself in alignment with all those parts, that's where real healing happens and that's what healing is.
Speaker 1:That's a very powerful message and I think what's important for us to realize that it's a holistic approach. There's not you just heal a part of you. There's this interconnectedness that we're, I think, in the world of healing and people those are looking for healing are beginning to understand that it's not you're just going to go and see a therapist or you're just going to do one approach. There are so many approaches for healing and I think I'd love to hear your journey of where you've come from and what approaches you use that you feel will provide that space of healing, that definition of healing that you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll tell you, when I when I was I was in my early 40s and my wife and I just had a baby and I'll be frank, I was struggling, I was not happy. I wasn't happy, I was dissatisfied with the direction of my life. I was dissatisfied with things that I was doing. I didn't have the light that I needed to have. I had no solutions, I couldn't figure it out and I joined a group of people who were creating a mastermind. Okay, I really was getting it. I was really empowered by it. I was really blessed that the person who was running our local chapter I will say he was a very energetic, powerful man and he really encouraged us to really get involved. One of the things we all did was we listened to this audio series and it was talking about how to grow your business and how to, how to align yourself. There was a lot of things about mindset in there. I caught something that no one else caught in the group. I'm listening and I hear when I'm out of alignment, I go see Gary Craig who uses EFT on me to get me back in alignment. My radar went right up, the antenna went straight up. What, who, what's that? I have to know that right now. This is what is going to get me into alignment.
Speaker 2:I looked up who Gary Craig is and he has his freebies. I went and I did his freebies. I found out that he's taught by Roger Callahan. I read Callahan's book. I loved Callahan's book, but there was a level of complexity to it that was a little disconcerting. Not because he didn't have good techniques, but because it wasn't user-friendly. Okay, yeah, this was right. At the time when Gary had a small heart attack, he was starting to step back. He stepped forward again now, but he stepped back for a while. His whole catalog went on sale With trepidation. Am I doing the?
Speaker 2:right thing Am I wasting my money? Mindset?
Speaker 1:Now, nobody else in the world has that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, looking back, I had to be so distorted that I even had that mindset. I bought the entire package, all the videos I forgot how many CDs I think it's like 20 CDs hours and hours and hours and hours of workshops and watched every single one of them, absorbed every single thing and, as they're doing the tapping, I'm tapping along and, even though it wasn't directed for me, it did the work.
Speaker 1:That's powerful.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of times when I'm working with people when they're not able to tune in. I can serigant tap for them.
Speaker 1:That's interesting.
Speaker 2:If I can tune into their energy and I can find where their weakness is, I can tap for them and do the work that way. I don't do it often because really people have to do their own work.
Speaker 2:But, sometimes when they're in a panic zone, they're in the middle of a panic attack. You need to get them to a place where they can go from out of control I can't control my body, I can't control my breathing to a point where they can start coming back into that rational, thinking, conscious brain and then we can start doing some work that's going to work. So sometimes I have to tap for people serigantly, but that's not the only thing I do. But here I am talking about modalities and really shouldn't be talking about modalities, talking about healing.
Speaker 1:Well, you use the modalities for the healing, of course, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, it's very true.
Speaker 1:And the listeners want to know that. Not everybody is in our world where we know what we're talking about. So, for instance, you're talking about EFT and tapping. Why don't you say more about that? I will.
Speaker 2:So EFT is emotional freedom technique. That's what it stands for. It's an offshoot of thought field therapy technique. The concept is that we can focus on our thoughts, something that we don't want in our life anymore. We put our focus on it and we kind of I like it to creating a mist. Something like that's right here. That's like you could almost see it. You definitely can feel it if you get tuned in, and what we want to do with that is we're using specific energy points on the body to peel back and find where that root causes the inside of the onion. You can think of the analogy peeling back the layers of the onion and getting to the inside and finding. Hey, when you get to that spot, obviously that thing collapses. All the things that you were holding on to that you were defining yourself as that we're no longer serving you, keep no longer serving you. We're not trying to create a robot. We're helping you to find that person that you really think you are not, that person who is affected by these things that no longer serve you. So that's the way that the tapping works and it's so simple that you could teach it to school children, and I've taught it to school children. I've gone into schools a couple of times. I really want to pursue that more. I just teach them a very, very simple version, but enough power that the children can let go of their anxiety.
Speaker 2:This is a thing that's very tough in children's lives. If you go back to when you were a child and when you were in grade school and you got, obviously, the interaction with your fellow students, the authoritarian figure of the teacher, another pressure for you to perform and you have no tools yeah, you have no tools. So everything just becomes like a sponge goes in. If somebody yells at you, well, that must be the truth, because I have no way of filtering out whether that is or not. If the teacher gets angry at you all the teachers mean and nasty all the time. And then if you do badly on one test, oh, I must be unable to perform on tests and some other things that I'm not going to say because I do not know. I'm in with that, but you know what I mean If you. What they've proved over time and really powerful, is that any student taking a test and they are in a calm, relaxed state will have a market improvement on their test taking abilities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just like let's pause for one second and let people take that in. Like you know, because my daughter has test anxiety and you know I have to like have a little conversation with her before she goes into some big test not all of them, it's when they're like they're, they're worth like 30 or 40% of her work, you know that's when it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And I think it's important because I know for me. I knew over time, I knew how to, I learned how to study, I learned what test works for me. So I would always choose classes that had multiple choice, because I was like, okay, all I need is something to trigger me, to remind me where the answers are. But for those people who are in the space when you, when you are anxious and you're concerned and you're worried, you're right there's no space for thought. It's like when you're on a game show and and as an audience member, you're sitting and going no, this is the answer, and the person's up there feeling the pressure. And so it really truly is important for our young ones to have these skills, because they're being tested until they're like 20.
Speaker 2:If they're going to go, they get tested and judged so harshly they don't even see it, you know, and you really don't understand it, until you get into a parent's perspective and you see what the teachers are making judgments on. I mean, they make judgments on your child in the second week of school and they're making these judgments that this is the way they're going to be interacting with your child the rest of the year. And if maybe your child was sick that day, they didn't sleep well, they didn't eat well, there was some, they had some kind of disagreement with their friend, now they're not in a good space to take that, that test or quiz or whatever it is. And you know, when the children have these skills, when they're young and they pull them forward to adulthood, we're creating better adults, you know, and that's really, that's really what the world needs. We need better adults. But you don't create better adults for the most part from adults. You have to create it from the children. That's I mean seriously. I mean I'm very passionate about this.
Speaker 1:No, I get that because I think the same thing. I'm like okay. So where do we start? Where do we begin to break the generational patterns of education or the way we think in a family or in a culture or in a society? You have to start with the minds that are more open.
Speaker 2:And it's really, really important that we get the skills to the adults and the adults pass the skills on children, and if we can do that, the power of our minds is limitless.
Speaker 1:And usually I'm not speechless, but it's the truth, I'm taking it in. I am taking it in because I've seen there are. There are some countries, I think in Asia, where they have mindfulness before school starts.
Speaker 1:They start the day off with the mindful mindfulness practices Some schools I've seen like for children who are more kinesthetic and more movement. They have classrooms and desks where they can cycle and they can jump up and down and they can do what they need to do in order to, you know, support their learning. And when we give them those supports whether it's tapping and a good, a good good friend of mine does does tapping as well, and I myself have experienced it One session had me begin to see my, the image that I had of my own body completely differently. I was like, wow, this is the first time I'm not trying to look at my body like I was 20.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, you get stuck in these patterns and you don't even realize that.
Speaker 2:It's so true. And you know what? What I learned that had me go to another level was when I had one client to kept. We would do a session for two days. She would be good, and then she would just go right back, reset, go back, reset, go back. And the problem was it wasn't stuck in her place where we can access. We had to get into the subconscious mind and work on that, you know. And going back to what the children are experiencing when they're in that anxiety state, their thinking mind gets shut off and they're thinking with limited capacity. At that point it's more what's reflexive. And this is what happens with a lot of people when they start making improvement and they go backwards, they go back into that reflexive, steady state where they were before and we don't even realize how much power and how much of our, our patterns are built into our subconscious mind.
Speaker 2:You know, I bring about adages. You know, like you, once you learn to ride a bike, you can, you never forget you get on a bike 20 years from now and you know three pedals in. You remember, yeah, you know. Or, or you drive your car and you don't even know how you got home. Yeah, that never happens Never. Or you're driving and you know, five days out of the week you go right. Today you're supposed to go left, but you still go right.
Speaker 1:Recently I just moved, so I get it. It's like I'm still getting off of the same exit. So it's just, I've moved a you know a couple of blocks from where I was and for the first three weeks I had to stop and like where am I going? Turn around and go somewhere else? Yeah, you gotta make a new you gotta make a new pattern.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, being able to access into the subconscious mind, be able to rewrite those scripts, be able to help people to understand that. Hey, this is, this is just a pre program that you program when, in a lot of times, when you were four, five, six years old and you're not four, five or six years old you know 20, 30, 40, et cetera. I've worked with. I've worked with somebody who was who was over 90.
Speaker 1:I want you to say that again because, like, healing is not age specific.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. You know you heal throughout your life If you go on that journey. You heal throughout your life. You spend your life figuring out what works and what doesn't work. And you know, I worked with a woman and she in England and she was deathly afraid of dogs.
Speaker 2:Her sister had two dogs so she couldn't go see her sister when she lived near a park. Every time she would go walking in the park and she saw a dog coming. She had to go on a different path across the street. She was so afraid of dogs. Where did it come from?
Speaker 2:It was something that she created when she was a little girl. It was about four years old when she created that, that story that dogs are bad, dogs attack, dogs bite and I'm afraid of dogs. So after rewriting that script, she stopped crossing the street. She stopped Now she didn't feel comfortable when a large dog was coming towards her. But she understood the owner had control. And if the owner didn't have control of the dog, okay, it's appropriate that you cross the street and get out of the path. Anybody would do that, even a dog lover, that's right, that's right. But if that person has control of their dog, okay, you might want to stop and let them pass. But it's okay, she got to that point. And then she got to the point where she would go visit her sister.
Speaker 1:That's life-changing right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. When you have someone in your family you love, there's a reason why you can't go there. They have a dog, they live in a different city and you have to drive across a bridge and the anxiety of you driving over the bridge is too much. You're afraid to fly to go visit your family. These are life-changing things when you can get past those obstacles and rewrite the script. But I always say the script is not only written in the subconscious, it's rewritten in the conscious mind.
Speaker 1:So tell me you're talking about rewriting, creating new patterns. How do you do that with your clients?
Speaker 2:Well, first I determine through talking with them and getting to know them and understanding where this started. Sometimes I don't even know where it started. From my experience, it's not about going backwards in a timeline therapy to erase what happens. It's more about using your adult self to come to a realization give grace to the child that you were. What's the piece with that child and what that child has, your acceptance that everything's okay, even though they felt that way. To me, that works so much more powerfully than trying to go back. Well, you're going to see that in a whole different light because we went back and we had you stand inside of that experience, and then that can be a place that someone doesn't want to go, especially if it was physical abuse. Do you want to go back to that physical abuse?
Speaker 1:No, I totally get that, because I myself have experienced abuse and there's things I don't remember and when I was writing my book and sharing my story, I thought to myself is it necessary to know? I need to go back and I need to experience all that and close it off and be able to tell the story of healing. But I agree with you, chris, it's not necessary to actually have to go back. But what does work is accepting that what was was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it's a misnomer that has been brought forward from a different era that we have to go back and we have to blame everything on our parents and we have to confront our abusers and this kind of thing, and I don't see where that's going to be more positive than you creating a more positive self in the now and living in the now and not letting that past define your future, because that's what most people do to them. I'm working with that. I find they're using their past experience to try to define their future, so they leave no space for the future to become and when they come into the now, now, the future has all the possibility.
Speaker 1:I like you, speaking my language, we do. We always put our past in our future because we're living from whatever our lived experience has been, from that. When we are in survival mode we're looking left and right is a car going to come? Well, our primitive brain thinks saber-toothed tigers are coming, but they're not. And the brain does what it does, and we could talk about that a whole bunch too, but let's just not do that.
Speaker 2:But the brain does what the brain does. I think we could sit there for an hour.
Speaker 1:Another conversation we can have why not? But I think it's true. We struggle with the fact that the past couldn't be different. I mean, I know this, I've done it myself. That's what keeps us in this victim-surviverhood mentality. It's like you want something to change that is like, first of all, no longer exists and, secondly, cannot be changed. It's a struggle.
Speaker 2:It's so true.
Speaker 1:The struggle is real.
Speaker 2:Oh, and it's the most difficult struggle and the fact that we're storing. When we have these kind of energetic things that happen to us, we store it in the only place we can't store it in our brain. We think that the brain has this unlimited capacity and the truth is it has a very limited capacity. We have the unlimited ability to think and learn and grow, but as far as storing things, that energy that doesn't match us, we have no place to put that in our brain. So we put it the only place we can our body. So, with the energy that we are holding on to that story that we say is ours and we hold on to so desperately and so tightly that we don't want to let it go, because we feel it's our defining moment in our life, is what's harming us in our body and is bringing us out of alignment with our higher self. Yeah, this is we find, and you could find.
Speaker 2:You find it a lot of times, you know, when people have mysterious pains like I have a pain in my hip, I have a pain in my shoulder, I have a pain in my knee, I have back pain, and people will go to extremes with this. They will unwittingly hurt themselves with their pain. You know, I'll tell the story that I was doing a workshop and you know I said well, you know this is what EFT is and you know this is how it works. Let's have a demonstration. Anybody have anything that's going on that they want to work on.
Speaker 2:So this man comes up and he says look, I'm a, I'm a, I'm in the trades, so I do general contracting, so I'm pulling bricks, I'm doing roofing, I'm moving wood and I can't. My right shoulder just does not go up anymore and it's in pain all the time. And I said, okay, great, let's work on this. So we work on this for literally 10 minutes and as soon as the tear comes out of each side of his eyes, the arm goes straight up and there's no pain and everything's released. And I know this man now for since 2009, and every time I see him he tells me the same thing my shoulder is so good, you fixed me. That was 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I want the listeners to get that right 10 minutes of willingness in front of 150 people.
Speaker 2:I mean, he was vulnerable. He let himself be and let him is on their side show. But it shows that what he was holding on to was not the physical pain. The physical pain was just a manifestation of the things that were in distress in his life.
Speaker 1:And how long was he holding on to that? For Like that 10 minutes you changed his life, but how long was he carrying that Well?
Speaker 2:he said it had been like three years since he had lifted his shoulder and had been degenerating for five years prior to that.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow. Louise Hay has a book called you Can Heal your Life and in that book I don't know if you've read it, but in the book they have all of the if you have knee pain, if you have elbow pain, if you have this pain, that pain, this associated with that. She does affirmations, which is a little bit in EFT. You do some affirmations and thinking and saying things.
Speaker 2:There's all kinds of different energies that work. You know, we know this. It's not one mode out, it's what is going to work with that person.
Speaker 1:So what I?
Speaker 2:would say is what I do might not work for Sue, but it might work for Billy. So, but Sue wasn't in alignment with that type of therapy than Billy was, and that's that's really the difference.
Speaker 1:And that's just so that people know we're not like Chris you're not for everyone and everyone's not for you.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's, that's so true. I say that all the time and you know I've gotten very, very, very picky about the people that I want to work with, because working with somebody who's not in alignment or is not showing up is very difficult.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I like it into. This is a kid taking piano lessons. Right, he shows up for his first piano lesson. The teacher teaches him chopsticks. Okay, he goes home. He doesn't do any work. He comes back. The teacher says, well, how are you doing? And okay, we'll go back to lesson one doing chapter. He goes back home again. He practices for half an hour. He shows up for the. Third is third lesson. Yes, a little bit of improvement. Still can't do the task. Moving up a little bit. So if you don't do the work, I'm not. I'm not a magician, I can do and I like it this way. I could do magical things If you do the work.
Speaker 1:Amen. I am saying that as a co healer beside you, which is you have to do the work. There's got to be a willingness to do the thing. That's uncomfortable. There's been so many times that you have someone come into your office or onto the screen and they're like, yeah, this is what I need. Fix me. Well, first of all, I don't fix people. It's not, it's not what we do. I mean, we use the word fix we. We don't fix people, and I say this A lot of the time. It's like I really actually don't do much of anything. I give you space and I show you a tool and it's up to you to use the tool and it's up to you to take on the space.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I liken it to the other saying when you are looking for a teacher, one will present themselves to you. So, okay, I'm teaching, but I'm teaching you. I'm not doing the learning you or, and, and, and it's the most powerful learning, it's the learning about who you are.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm, yeah, because I say this all the time. Life is an inside job. There's nobody else. You are the you in your life.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, and I, I, I really get on some of my my clients that I tell them when they start going on. They tell me about, well, this one and this one, and now, how in your life are you living? What body are you living in? Is anybody else there in your body? If there is somebody else there, I want to know about it.
Speaker 1:Exactly. That might be a whole different level of dealing in therapy required.
Speaker 2:I'm being very tongue-in-cheek when I say that it's not your husband that's in your body. It's not your son or daughter. It's not your father or mother, it's not your friend. You're the one who's determining your life and you get to choose. Do you want to choose what's best? Do you want to stay stuck? Yeah, do you want to stay stuck? It's the biggest question, nina, that we as healers have to ask the people we work with that they have to make the choice. Obviously, they showed up. Maybe they put up some money. Hopefully that's enough money to motivate them to show up, but sometimes it's not, sometimes it's not. I've had that experience also where, like you said but snappy fingers, everything is going to be better.
Speaker 2:That doesn't work that way. I wish I could wiggle my nose like Samantha the witch.
Speaker 1:For listeners who don't know that reference be witch to go check it out.
Speaker 2:Go check it out, or I could be Jeannie.
Speaker 1:We are definitely showing our age, Chris.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but those are classics, there are definitely, definitely classes.
Speaker 1:It's been such a joy connecting with you, but this is so amazing For those people who are interested in and having a further conversation with you aside from the Miracles Directory. How can we get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:Well, you can find me on my website, which is eft hypnotherapycom. Again, that's eft h-y-p-n-o-t-h-e-r-a-t. P-y. Hypnotherapy at no dot com.
Speaker 1:And I know you're on Instagram because I've seen you.
Speaker 2:I'm on Instagram, yes, and you can also reach me at 2012034756. That's my phone and, like I tell everybody, if I don't answer, don't think that I'm avoiding you. I'm probably with the client.
Speaker 1:Yes, remember that. You know In our world of instant gratification, chris is out there doing the work, helping people do the work, so leave a message.
Speaker 2:Oh, leave a message. I will call you back and you know the thing that you know and we'll have a conversation. We'll make that conversation, we'll have a conversation and then we'll figure out what is it that's going to work for you. And this is what I've told people that I use as a guideline for me is, if I'm not the right person, then there's times that I'm not the right person. I will give you some other names. I'll tell you hey, you can find this one, you can find this one, you can find this one, and you can check them out and see if they are the right person for you. There are people out there and you know, like Nina said, if you go to Miracles Directory, there are other people there and the way I view it is, I'm not in competition with those people. There's no competition here. We're all playing for the same side, making the planet and the people of this planet be the person they're supposed to be, in alignment with their body, their mind and their soul.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a mic drop and I think it's the best place to say thank you so much for your time. We probably will have to have another conversation because why not? It's so much fun.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely Somewhere along the road.
Speaker 1:we'll talk about some other profound stuff. So thank you once again and take care, stay curious, keep exploring and never stop believing in your own capacity for healing.
